CBC to study whether they are biased

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by troutman

Is BBC biased?

Sure, they just seem more sophisticated because of the accent.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

CBC is biased towards separatists!

Its actually quite surprising the number of Quebec separtatists who currently work for, have worked for, CBC in the past. The mother corp has been a virtual hotbed of separatism, in the past.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

What defeat, I never said the CBC wasn't biased. That they are interested in rectifying this is good.

No you didn't... but what you did say is compete and utter hooey.

Originally Posted by Vulcan

We all have our opinions, everybody and every institution is biased, it's a matter of survival, but for my money CBC is less biased than every other network I can watch. If you want to get into bias, Fox news wins hands down although Pravda would have gave them a run for their money years ago.

Less biased that any other network? Come on... do you really honestly believe that?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Rerun

No you didn't... but what you did say is compete and utter hooey.


Hit the low point of throwing insults, eh?





Less biased that any other network? Come on... do you really honestly believe that?

Of course I don't agree with everything they comment on and I pretty much distrust all media but the long and the short of it is, yes.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Of course I don't agree with everything they comment on and I pretty much distrust all media but the long and the short of it is, yes.

I agree with you, and from reading the rest of the thread there are many more who do as well.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by John Doe

I agree with you, and from reading the rest of the thread there are many more who do as well.

You're right. All the NDP and Liberal supporters have come out in full force to support the taxpayer sponsored propaganda wing of their beloved parties.

I've never seen a turnout so large since Trudeau visited Calgary.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Rerun

You're right. All the NDP and Liberal supporters have come out in full force to support the taxpayer sponsored propaganda wing of their beloved parties.

I've never seen a turnout so large since Trudeau visited Calgary.

Sorry, not a NDP or Liberal supporter. But don't let that get in your way. Keep up your "woe is us" Conservative talking points!

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by John Doe

Sorry, not a NDP or Liberal supporter. But don't let that get in your way. Keep up your "woe is us" Conservative talking points!

Green Party supporter perhaps? Communist? Some other left wing fringe party?

[troutman]

Is it bias if they are right?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by troutman

Is it bias if they are right?

Only if they are left.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Green Party supporter perhaps? Communist? Some other left wing fringe party?

Sorry again, I support no party but I have voted for all three of the main parties as well as independents. I vote for the candidate that I think will do the best job of representing my constituency. Lately, with the control that Harper holds over his MP's, it hasn't been the Conservatives however. That is too bad, since the Conservative MP from my riding would do good work if he didn't have Harper's minions breathing down his neck.

But why does it matter who would or would not support? Is it just you or do all the Conservatives outright disregard and belittle someone's opinion if it disagrees with theirs?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by John Doe

Sorry again, I support no party but I have voted for all three of the main parties as well as independents. I vote for the candidate that I think will do the best job of representing my constituency. Lately, with the control that Harper holds over his MP's, it hasn't been the Conservatives however. That is too bad, since the Conservative MP from my riding would do good work if he didn't have Harper's minions breathing down his neck.

But why does it matter who would or would not support? Is it just you or do all the Conservatives outright disregard and belittle someone's opinion if it disagrees with theirs?

Not sure about others but I will admit that I do disregard... and yes... perhaps belittle someone elses opinion when their opinion is completely disregards or refuses to acknowledge the facts.... and the fact is that CBC is pro left wing and anti right wing and this has been acknowledged and proven time and time again.

I would expect the same would be said to me if I made the ludicrous statement that Fox News isn't biased against Liberals and the left wing.

P.S. I voted for the Conservatives in the last election... and I didn't have the slightest concern that Harper would muzzle my MP through his "control". "Control"... thats the Liberals latest anti Harper slur... it used to be many other words/slurs until they were all proven ridiculous and lame attempts at fear mongering.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Not sure about others but I will admit that I do disregard... and yes... perhaps belittle someone elses opinion when their opinion is completely disregards or refuses to acknowledge the facts.... and the fact is that CBC is pro left wing and anti right wing and this has been acknowledged and proven time and time again.

I would expect the same would be said to me if I made the ludicrous statement that Fox News isn't biased against Liberals and the left wing.

P.S. I voted for the Conservatives in the last election... and I didn't have the slightest concern that Harper would muzzle my MP through his "control". "Control"... thats the Liberals latest anti Harper slur... it used to be many other words/slurs until they were all proven ridiculous and lame attempts at fear mongering.

The bolded part that you state as fact is your opinion. It hasn't been proven time and time again. Yes, there have been occasions when the CBC has done things that had a left wing bias, but there have also been occasions when they have done things with a right wing bias as well. You either don't see or don't acknowledge these occurances, but that doesn't mean that they don't happen.

It is my opinion and others as well that CBC is one of the better networks for being fair to all sides. I don't claim it to be a fact, and I don't really expect you to believe my claim. However, don't expect anyone to respect your opinions if you are not willing to do the same.

As for the "control" that I am complaining about, my MP didn't come to any of the forums/debates in my community. I never heard anything from him that I didn't hear from the PMO. I know the MP, and like I said before I think that he is a good man, but I refuse to vote for someone who always backs whatever the PMO or even the Conservative caucus tells him to back. I would prefer to vote independent every election, but unfortunately very few quality candidates chose to run that way.

[SinceDay1]

The funny thing about biases is that they only become apparent when they are in conflict with our own. Often, they have little in common with the facts or the truth, but hey, perception is reality, right?

In my little bubble, there is room for a tax payer supported national broadcaster but it's not my only source of news and information. IMO, the fact that they are looking at their procedures and practices in an effort to improve the service they provide to all Canadians should be applauded. I'm not convinced a private, corporate entity would do the same if it in any way had a negative impact on it's balance sheet.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by John Doe

The bolded part that you state as fact is your opinion. It hasn't been proven time and time again. Yes, there have been occasions when the CBC has done things that had a left wing bias, but there have also been occasions when they have done things with a right wing bias as well. You either don't see or don't acknowledge these occurances, but that doesn't mean that they don't happen.

It is my opinion and others as well that CBC is one of the better networks for being fair to all sides. I don't claim it to be a fact, and I don't really expect you to believe my claim. However, don't expect anyone to respect your opinions if you are not willing to do the same.

As for the "control" that I am complaining about, my MP didn't come to any of the forums/debates in my community. I never heard anything from him that I didn't hear from the PMO. I know the MP, and like I said before I think that he is a good man, but I refuse to vote for someone who always backs whatever the PMO or even the Conservative caucus tells him to back. I would prefer to vote independent every election, but unfortunately very few quality candidates chose to run that way.

Do you have examples that match the right wing bias?

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Do you have examples that match the right wing bias?

Sure. Just off the top of my head, I described earlier in this thread how the CBC was biased in how the handled the EKOS pollster affair. In the last day or two I read the following four articles that agree with my assertion or show CBC biases against other parties/ideologies.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1568203/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1570549/

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepol...in-ottawa.html

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1572074/

Again, these are just examples that I came across in the last day.

Also look at that evil CBC reporter who gave questions to those dastardly Liberals. Her name is Krista Erickson. She is obviously an example of a left-wing bias by the CBC, right? Except that she is also the very same Krista Erickson who has been dating Conservative MP Lee Richardson. In fact, she is registered as his "designated traveler", which means she travels for free with him. Sounds like a pretty serious relationship to me. It also sounds like she would have a right-wing bias.

Look at Peter Kent, Pamela Wallin and Mike Duffy. All are ex-CBC employees who are now Conservative Senators or MPs. That sounds like a right-wing bias, doesn't it? Especially when you compare it with the other parties. I don't know of any ex-CBC employees in any of those parties. If a corporatioin only produces right-wingers, it must have a right-wing bias, right?

Now, I am not saying it does have a right-wing bias, but to say that it only has examples of a left-wing bias would be incorrect.

[Pastiche]

Originally Posted by zuluking

Because they present Mr. Graves as a pollster, not a Liberal commenter. Because people inherently think that pollsters just speak the numbers, the statistics, with impartial analysis. EKOS, as a gatherer of statistics, is fine. The issue is with the CBC bringing someone with a self-professed bias (and a history of advising / financially contributing to one party) and not providing any disclosure.

Add the CBC feeding Liberal MPs questions in a Parliamentary committee, their leading stories on *gasp* Wafergate, the use of prorogation as a faux-outrage medium, their (Pete Mansbridge's, in particular) childlike glee and excitement for the coalition gov't coupled with their palpable disappointment when it fell through... a couple off the top of my head. At best, cheerleaders; at worst, backroom manipulators. On our dime.

Well the CBC has conducted a review which completely exonerates Graves and points to reasons that I have already given for this furor: Conservative party politics.

I'm pretty tired of this act, woe is us Conservatives against the big bad liberal world. It's obfuscating and stymies legitimate debate and interest into politics and policy.

Stephen Harper’s chief election strategist deliberately used the CBC complaints process and “paranoia-tinged” language to raise money for the Conservatives and to “overwhelm” and “intimidate” the office, the public broadcaster’s ombudsman says in a report that completely exonerates EKOS pollster Frank Graves. In his seven-page report, released late yesterday, Vince Carlin examines the 800 notes received by his office concerning Mr. Graves, who many Conservatives charge is a Liberal partisan providing tainted polls to the CBC.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1573887/


Carry on though. I'm sure this will be slandered as further proof of bias. I remain in contention that this episode did not show ANY bias against the Conservatives on the CBC's behalf.

“It is interesting to note that, while Mr. Graves was excoriated for what appears to be, unfortunately, commonplace political advice to play up to your own audience, and play hard (invoking the ‘Culture War’ simile), Mr. Finley used the same device with the rather paranoia-tinged ‘powerful array of vested interests’ allegedly opposing the Party,” Mr. Carlin says.



“One may wonder about the power and array of these interests since the government has survived in a minority Parliament for five years. In fact the last EKOS poll released to the CBC showed an uptick in support for the Conservative Party.”
The ombudsman concludes that, whatever political views may be held by Mr. Graves, he is not a CBC journalist and there is no “serious suggestion that the process has been skewed.


“There was no violation of CBC’s Journalistic Standards and Practices,” he writes.