Canadian DMCA to be introduced in June

[3 Justin 3]

I download shows (which is illegal) because I can't watch them. I work from 5PM-2AM, and I am pvr-less. Instead of Canada being stupid about this, why not actually tell the CRTC to do something and get some stuff licensed and distributed like Hulu, etc. I would gladly pay for a service like Hulu (which is free) for shows, but obviously Canada has nothing in place where I can watch them without buying something for $600.

[Azure]

Technically Apple is already selling something for a subsidized price to get people to buy their devices.

Amazon and other companies that sell songs online do the same thing.

[photon]

Originally Posted by fredr123

What we all fail to understand is that when you buy a DVD or a streaming version of the same film on Apple TV, you're not buying the movie. You're buying a bundle of rights which in most cases include only watching the movie in prescribed ways.

Right, and companies would restrict those prescribed ways in any way possible to earn more $$. And the laws limit what they can do, I think the laws should allow format shifting and location shifting and time shifting and such because the flip side (costs going way down to reflect the fact you have to buy your media a dozen times over your lifetime) is never going to happen unless the landscape changes in such a way to force them. And they apparently have enough legal influence that that's not going to happen either.

And I'm sure there's an accessibility argument here somewhere as well since we're talking about things that comprise our culture, and not just a physical object.

Originally Posted by fredr123

And again, I would be fine with this if the rights you are buying are priced fairly and are priced in accordance with that model. If people knew you had to buy the same song five times for each of your five devices, the price would have to reflect that. Pennies a song would probably be reasonable. Ninety-nine cents is not.

I agree with this totally, and wonder what would happen if some company took that line. That way if I decided to avoid company A I can repurchase my entire song collection on company B and not feel robbed.

Or take that one step further, I had this idea a long time ago. Get rid of the concept of purchasing media entirely, all media is completely free to download. What costs is watching it, reading it, listening to it.

So rather than paying $1 for a song, you pay 0.0001 cent every time you listen to it, regardless of the format. In your car, on your phone, in your home, on your console, whatever. Each time you watch a movie it costs 50 cents, or a dollar, or a sliding scale or whatever.

Then you pay for what you actually consume.

Or I always liked the idea of those services that allowed monthly subscriptions for 100% access to their library. Who wouldn't pay Apple $25 a month to have unlimited access to download whatever they wanted?

[bradster57]

I'm not too worried about it. For every person out there who is enforcing copyright protection, there is about 50 others working on how to get around it.

[ma-skis.com]

maybe we'll just have unlocked wifi networks everywhere now, so downloaders can't be identified.

that'd be nice, no more need for 3g then

[Azure]

PC World has an article in their most recent release saying that the FBI wants ISP to keep user data for up to 2 years.

They did mention that most companies are not obeying as it requires huge backup systems and a lot of manpower. And they don't see any financial benefit in doing it.

They also said that many ISPs do actively monitor and at times report user activity to the government. And if the FBI came along with a subpoena, they would have no choice but to turn everything over.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by photon

Or I always liked the idea of those services that allowed monthly subscriptions for 100% access to their library. Who wouldn't pay Apple $25 a month to have unlimited access to download whatever they wanted?

Bars/pubs, resturants, airports, grocery stores, shopping malls, transit platforms...any place that broadcasts recorded music actually do pay into a "slush fund" which is then redistributed to the artists by Socan. This was they are paying for the rights to play music without having to document the date and time that each song was played each time. I wouldn't mind paying something integrated into taxes to allow for unlimited free streaming for all Canadians.

Film will make its money off of movie ticket sales.

TV will make its money from advertising.

Musicians will make their money from shows and reproduction royalties in movie, film, and video games.

This new laws are so draconian its disturbing.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Buy software.
Open package and slip DVD into computer.
Dialogue screen pops up, says Agree or Don't Agree to the license agreement.
Press the Disagree button.
DVD spits out of your computer and won't install.
Take Software DVD back to store for refund.
They won't take it back because it's been opened, saying "you now own it."

So, make up your mind, do I own it or not?

[Pastiche]

SSH through IRC and Usenet

[Phaneuf3]

I used to download a metric f*#k-TON of music. Anything I could possibly get my hands on.
I like a lot of music that you wont' find playing on any radio stations that broadcast around here so downloading was one of the few ways I could find about new bands/albums. When I find something I like, I buy a copy of the CD. When I find something I don't like, I delete it.

If it wasn't for being able to so easily be a dirty filthy pirate, I may only have about 20-30 CDs in my collection. Instead, it's something that I've spent an obscene amount of money on. Not all piracy hurts sales.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Buy software.
Open package and slip DVD into computer.
Dialogue screen pops up, says Agree or Don't Agree to the license agreement.
Press the Disagree button.
DVD spits out of your computer and won't install.
Take Software DVD back to store for refund.
They won't take it back because it's been opened, saying "you now own it."

So, make up your mind, do I own it or not?

All the user agreements are available online or by request via mail. The store has no obligation to refund you even though you didn't agree with the manufacturer's user agreement. You still made a retail purchase from their store, wether it turns out to be digital media or a box with a plastic disc in it.

[Locke]

Welcome to June, so whats happening here?

[Methanolic]

Originally Posted by Locke

Welcome to June, so whats happening here?

I read that this Thursday is when it gets tabled ....AGAIN!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Methanolic

I read that this Thursday is when it gets tabled ....AGAIN!

What do you mean again?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Barnes

The whole thing, including the FCC's recent decision to allow content providers to lock down your cable box and instruct it to not record first run movies and TV shows at their discretion will only serve to make people like me turn even further to the black and gray markets. This crap only hurts people like my parents and those people who pay their cable bill, buy movies etc.

Any word on whether Canadian broadcasters will be able to do this? I want to watch the world cup in 3D. I have a 3D ready TV, but the input format my TV requires doesn't match the output format from my PVR. One company sells a converter (which is presumably HDCP compliant) but it detects your TVs brand is since mine is a different brand it won't work. Basically, the only way for me to watch content I've paid for on hardware I've paid for is to use the analog hole, record it on my computer from the composite outputs, and play it back from my computer (which can output any format). It would really grind my gears if they block the composite out on my cable box... if that's the case then my only hope is that someone uploads them to the world.

Also, if it were truly a free market I'd have access to DirectTV and ESPN3D, so I'd know I'll be getting the broadcasts.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Azure

What do you mean again?

This bill (well ones almost exactly like it) have been tabled twice before, both times killed by election calls.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by photon

This bill (well ones almost exactly like it) have been tabled twice before, both times killed by election calls.

Liberals, NDP, BQ, I think you know what needs to be done...

[Methanolic]

Originally Posted by Azure

What do you mean again?

2008 Bill, Almost identical

[ericschand]

It's too late.

I asked friends with kids, elementary through University, still living at home.
I asked, "When is the last time you gave your kid some money to go buy a
CD?" I also asked a large group of co-workers the same question.

The response was an overwhelming...blank look. "Money to buy what?" was
the usual response. One had given his kid some money, "Oh maybe a year
ago, maybe two years? Dunno, I remember doing it." This one looked
embarrassed to admit it.

Then I followed up with, "Where do your kids get music? How much do they
pay for it?" Overwhelmingly, "Off the internet! For free!"

I asked the same questions of some teenagers. Same responses. They
even tried to hide the fact they had accounts on Demonoid and such.

So, you've lost the teenagers and University students.

Young kids, less than 10 years old, consistently ask, "Can you download
<insert entertainment here> for me?" All my friends kids ask that. As soon
as the newest Disney show is out, I hear about it all the time. Heck my
daughter wants a flash key so she can copy them from her friends! (The
answer so far has been, "No.")

My parents know they can get movies online. Their friends know they can
get movies online. All of them!

The final question I asked is, "Why go online? Why not spend the money?"

Overwhelmingly the initial response is, "It's not worth $X!" or along the
lines of, "$60 to go out for a movie? Are you kidding?"
Then usually something about it being so simple, it's hard not to.

When I informed them of Bill C61, and its current ilk, they were shocked
but shrugged. Not one said they would change their habits, especially
the teenagers and University students. They were the most angry and defiant.
Most carried an attitude of, "Yeah, like they'll catch me!"

So I put it to you, it's too late. You've lost the older generation, you've
lost the University generation, you've lost the teenager generation, and
you've lost the young children too.

Are you really going to go after all of them?

ers

[photon]

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...-p2p-users.ars

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