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I wanna be like Miikka · 08-28-2009, 09:16 PM

Can anyone explain why I still see trades going on? I thought the deadline passed yet I see the Rays just made a trade.

Sylvanfan · 08-28-2009, 09:18 PM

So long as no other teams claim the player on waivers teams can still work out a trade. So Tampa would put Kazmir on waivers, and nobody made a claim on him so they could deal him to Anaheim. So long as the player is on the roster before September 1st they can use him on their post season roster.

Slava · 08-28-2009, 09:19 PM

There is also a way that they can pull a guy back off waivers if there is no way for a deal to be worked out, right? Frankly, this is one of the stupidest "trade deadlines" in professional sports, if not the worst.

I wanna be like Miikka · 08-28-2009, 09:21 PM

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So long as no other teams claim the player on waivers teams can still work out a trade. So Tampa would put Kazmir on waivers, and nobody made a claim on him so they could deal him to Anaheim. So long as the player is on the roster before September 1st they can use him on their post season roster.

But why would someone trade for him if they could just get him for free? Unless they are looking to dump salary back or maybe have to move someone to be able to fit said player under the roster limits?

Either way it seems stupid.

Sylvanfan · 08-28-2009, 09:27 PM

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But why would someone trade for him if they could just get him for free? Unless they are looking to dump salary back or maybe have to move someone to be able to fit said player under the roster limits?

Either way it seems stupid.

Tampa Bay has the option to pull him back off waivers. Thats the difference. In baseball you can put anyone on waivers and even if another team makes a claim you can pull the player off the waiver wire.

So if Anaheim wanted Kazmir they had to work out a trade and than see if anyone else would claim him. If Anaheim offers up nothing they don't get him as Tampa just keeps him. Many trades over the years have happened past the non-waiver trade deadline.

Sylvanfan · 08-28-2009, 09:29 PM

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There is also a way that they can pull a guy back off waivers if there is no way for a deal to be worked out, right? Frankly, this is one of the stupidest "trade deadlines" in professional sports, if not the worst.

Well the first deadline is the non waiver deadline. So if you want to trade MLB player for MLB player generally thats when you need to do it. The official deadline is at the end of August for players to use on a post season roster.

CrusaderPi · 08-29-2009, 12:39 AM

I really enjoy the MLB trade deadlines. They seem so secretive and shady. I'd love to have access to the waiver wire so I could see all the names and claims that get passed around.

RedHot25 · 08-29-2009, 05:18 AM

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I really enjoy the MLB trade deadlines. They seem so secretive and shady. I'd love to have access to the waiver wire so I could see all the names and claims that get passed around.

I don't think you need to see the wire to see the list of players. I think it is pretty well known that basically every player gets put on it. There's no harm; you put them on and can just pull them off if anyone claims them.

RedHot25 · 08-29-2009, 05:26 AM

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Lots of speculation that the Angels have acquired Scott Kazmir from the Rays for a couple of prospects.

http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=289164

The Angels landed Kazmir, a two-time all-star, for two minor leaguers and a player to be named. He was 8-7 with a 5.92 earned-run average this season for the defending AL champion Rays.

Tampa Bay receives left-hander Alex Torres and third baseman Matt Sweeney in the deal.

bluejays · 08-29-2009, 10:18 AM

I'm surprised Tampa dumped Kazmir in the middle of the race. Personally I think it's a great move for them because 4.5 game behind at this point is pretty hard to overcome, but it's a smart move for a small market team. Why can't Riccardi be that astute?

Flickered Flame · 08-29-2009, 11:51 AM

It is a great move for the Rays. They gain a couple of good kids and they have a couple more very close to playing everyday. They also needed to find a way to free up some cash as Pena will probably get over 10 mill next year, Bartlett is due for a raise and they need to find money for Crawford.

I wanna be like Miikka · 08-29-2009, 12:03 PM

So why don't the Jays continue shopping Halladay just to see if someone changes their mind or has a big injury and is forced to pay up for him?

Sylvanfan · 08-29-2009, 02:04 PM

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So why don't the Jays continue shopping Halladay just to see if someone changes their mind or has a big injury and is forced to pay up for him?

They probably are. Problem is say for example with the Phillies a deal is worked out with J.A.Haap as one of the guys. Halladay may clear waivers, Haap wouldn't. So if the Jays want some sort of MLB calibre player back as part of the package who's any good he's probably not getting through waivers. Plus Halladay probably fits in someone's budget that he'd be claimed too and possibly block that deal.

I expect Halladay gets traded in the offseason.

Kazmir IIRC is only signed for this year, wasn't having a great year and the Rays have enough pitching depth that they can take him out of the rotation, replace him from within and still compete.

One of the more famous post waiver trades I remember was the Jays getting David Cone for Jeff Kent. I'm not an expert on post waiver trades but it's surprising no one made a claim on Kent who was a rookie at the time. But I'm not sure if every team above the Mets in the Standings could have blocked that deal by claiming Kent type of thing.

Flickered Flame · 08-31-2009, 11:04 PM

The Dodgers picked up both Jon Garland and Jim Thome tonight. The Rockies picked up Jose Contreras and the Giants signed Brad Penny. A bunch of moves by teams looking to make the playoffs.

Sylvanfan · 08-31-2009, 11:18 PM

I guess the White Sox decided this ain't really working. When they claimed Rios I figured something would give in that lineup as Rios wasn't going to replace guys like Dye or Carlos Quentin. Although Contreras might be addition by subtraction. Thome move is a bit interesting as Loney's sub 800 OPS is pretty low for the first base position. Given that other top NL teams like the Phillies and Cards have some serious big time sluggers.

Flickered Flame · 08-31-2009, 11:37 PM

I don't think Thome will play 1B at all. He will come off the bench as a PH.

ricoFlame · 09-06-2009, 10:05 PM

Ichiro got #2000 tonight...dude is kinda good at hitting.

Sylvanfan · 09-06-2009, 10:49 PM

Ichiro is what like 5 hits away from 9 straight 200 hit seasons. The guy can rack up the hits for sure.

Derek Jeter is only 3 hits away from a new Yankees record for hits by a Yankee. Given all the great Yankee's of the past I was sort of shocked to find out that none of them had 3000 hits as a Yankee. Jeters really been racking up the hits of late too. I think he had 46 in the month of August and he had another 3 today.

Sylvanfan · 09-06-2009, 11:00 PM

So with 25 games to go, most Divisions are pretty much spoken for unless there is an epic collapse, which as we know from the Mets two years ago could still happen.

Yankees, Tigers and Angels should win their Divisions pretty handily in the AL. Boston should take the Wild Card spot as Texas is the only real challenger left. Rangers still have an outside shot at the AL West, but I think the Angels can avoid the meltdown that would cause them to lose that lead.

For AL MVP I would pick Joe Mauer. Catcher hitting over 360 and the top on base and slugging percentage. Too bad he couldn't go out and throw for the Twins.

For AL Cy Young it's a tough call, but Zack Greinke seems to have the best numbers even though his wins total is low. Behind him tough call, as it could be Verlander. If Halladay hadn't had that 3 week blow up he'd probably be the guy.

In the NL the Dodgers, Cardinals and Phillies will win their Divisions and the real race is between the Giants and Rockies for the Wild Card. Normally one should favor a better pitching team, but I think the Rockies can hold off the Giants. Still should go to the wire.

NL MVP is likely Albert Pujols although for me it's really tough to overlook Hanley Ramirez. In the end though Pujols is top 5 in the triple crown categories and many other offensive categories on a team who has the best record in the leauge.

NL Cy Young is a pretty good race between Lincecum and Chris Carpenter. Right now one probably goes with Carpenter, but fart you can make a case for either guy. No doubt the front runners here are a lot clearer than in the AL.

ricoFlame · 09-07-2009, 12:22 AM

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Derek Jeter is only 3 hits away from a new Yankees record for hits by a Yankee. Given all the great Yankee's of the past I was sort of shocked to find out that none of them had 3000 hits as a Yankee. Jeters really been racking up the hits of late too. I think he had 46 in the month of August and he had another 3 today.

got a shot at AL MVP