Alberta's Ticket Out? Poll

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by First Lady

True, added to that, the fact Harper backed down on the other 2 issues.... why are they going the coalition route anyway??? Bizarre.

They don't trust him.

I can understand that.

But these opposition parties would be far better served keeping this "nuclear" option as a deterrent for the time when Harper doesn't back down.

Force the CPC to work with the other parties for the betterment of all. As long as they know they can pull together the votes to trigger an election (or coalition) then they have the power to prevent themselves from being bullied.

I think everyone would be much better off if all these a-holes realized people don't want this strongly partisan crap going on, and figured out how to make things work.

They don't need to agree. Heck they shouldn't agree. Different perspectives are good things. But when they disagree for the sake of disagreeing, they should all be turfed.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by troutman

No. Where does it end?

Independent Southern Alberta? The Free City of Calgary?

The People's Republic of Jammies' Pad.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by jammies

The People's Republic of Jammies' Pad.

I hope you have at least 1 woman in your country

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I hope you have at least 1 woman in your country

I intend a liberal immigration policy and easily obtainable citizenship for applicants with the right qualifications.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Seems to be working ok for the 7 + M people in landlocked Switzerland.

And the 10 million people in landlocked Chad.

The "Alberta Separation" discussion always brings up the same things...

1. Quebecers are whiners
2. They get more than they are due
3. They are unfair
4. They don't work hard enough
5. They are not, and don't want to be Canadians

6. We should act like them and drum up support for a foolish and completely unrealistic idea of separation

[Incinerator]

Only if BC goes along at least, I don't like the idea of being landlocked...but I highly doubt that would work with our fundamental cultural differences anyways...

[4X4]

Eh... Rouge...

1. beauty is in the eye of the beholder
2. yeah, they do
3. kinda ambiguous
4. some kind of poll is popping up in my head that is reminding me that they work the least hours in the country. FWIW.
5. It may be 12 years old, but I recall 50.4%-49.6% am I crazy?

6. No, no we shouldn't. What we should do is stop taking the shaft and start standing up for ourselves. In fact, every province should.
What really needs to happen is that power needs to be diluted from Ottawa and concentrated provincially. Then you'd see a bunch of organizations working together to better themselves instead of a bunch of organizations taking as much as they can to better themselves.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Eh... Rouge...

1. beauty is in the eye of the beholder
2. yeah, they do
3. kinda ambiguous
4. some kind of poll is popping up in my head that is reminding me that they work the least hours in the country. FWIW.
5. It may be 12 years old, but I recall 50.4%-49.6% am I crazy?

6. No, no we shouldn't. What we should do is stop taking the shaft and start standing up for ourselves. In fact, every province should.
What really needs to happen is that power needs to be diluted from Ottawa and concentrated provincially. Then you'd see a bunch of organizations working together to better themselves instead of a bunch of organizations taking as much as they can to better themselves.

Maybe. It was just an observation about how this always goes.

"Quebec sucks because they bitch and talk about separating to get what they want. The thing to do is bitch and talk about separating so we can get what we want and that wouldn't suck".

Seems kind of goofy to me.

It's never going to happen. Quebec has never been able to pull it off and they actually elect people who believe in the idea. We don't.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Festus

If the Liberal/Bloc/NDP Coalition succeeds in taking over Parliament, would you support (join, contribute, vote for) a movement for an independent Alberta?

Yes [ ]
No [ ]

Absolutely not.

[chris_yk]

hell no but I'm only in Alberta half the year

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

If and only if Saskatchewan and BC go with us. That'd be a sweet little country.

Agreed

[Cowboy89]

I agree with Trout in that a landlocked province with 3.5 million people makes as much sense as the country of Southern Alberta, Calgary, or even the Sultanate of West Hills.

However given that seemingly the one thing the coalition parties all can agree on is massive bailouts to money losing industries at even the best of times in other provinces with money coming from essentially Alberta and Saskatchewan and the fact that a 'Green Shift,' Socialism, and Quebec Separatism are all not positive things for Alberta, a little chest beating is in order. Apparently sending 143 Conservative MPs to Ottawa isn't enough to protect our economy so maybe sending 28 'Bloc Alberta' MPs to be the swing vote in a coalition government might do a better job of extracting what we want out of confederation (Simply to be granted all the powers 100% given to the provinces in the British North America Act of 1867). Seems to be working for Quebec, why not us too.

[killer_carlson]

I think this thread is asking the wrong question.

The question ought to be whether you would support Alberta having a Referendum on the issue. Then once it is agreed to have the Referendum, then the question of whether you support seperation ought to be asked.

I, for one, think Alberta has to explain to people in the Province exactly what an independant Alberta would look like. It's all fine and dandy to talk about seperating - or leaving the abusive relationship - but you need to see what the alternatives will actually be and make an informed decision.

[FlamesKickAss]

yes get me the hell out of this BS

[Julio]

No.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

And the 10 million people in landlocked Chad.

The "Alberta Separation" discussion always brings up the same things...

1. Quebecers are whiners
2. They get more than they are due
3. They are unfair
4. They don't work hard enough
5. They are not, and don't want to be Canadians

6. We should act like them and drum up support for a foolish and completely unrealistic idea of separation

Actually, Alberta separatism has little do with Quebec specifically as it does the fact that Ottawa has historically dismissed the west at best, and crippled it to support the east at worst.

Keep in mind that Ottawa has been trying to steal from the west since our provinces were created. It took us 20 years to earn the same constitutional rights to our own resources that the existing seven provinces had since they joined confederation.

Think about where Alberta and Saskatchewan would be today if Brownlee et al were not able to fight for our rights, and it was Ottawa that controlled our natural resources?

Until Ottawa learns to view the west as a partner rather than a region to be exploited, Alberta separatism will remain. Probably it will remain as little more than a fly biting you, but the problem is Ottawa, not Quebec.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by llama64

Just look at how effective the Bloc have been. Now imagine a parliament full of parties representing specific regions and/or specific issues and we have a functioning party system government. I will cry tears of joy if this ever comes to pass.

That is effectively what we had in the 90s: Reform in the West, Bloc in Quebec, Liberals in Ontario and PCs and New Democrats focussed in Atlantic Canada.

What ended up happening was the largest province dictated who controlled national affairs.

EEE Senate man. That is how true regional representation will come to be.

[DuffMan]

We should seperate, and then immediately invade BC and claim it, with future plans of taking Saskatchewan.
I'd be all for it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Wonder if the American's would sell us a couple of cruise missile mounted nukes and stealth bombers.

[Ozy_Flame]

So would any of you with separatist intentions care to be the first to sign up for Alberta's military?

Put your money where your mouth is.