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Gozer · 12-15-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoFlame

i know. likely the top 1-2 punch in the league if all pans out.

Jays have the best bullpen in baseball, I insist on clinging to that for as long as I can!

ricoFlame · 12-15-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gozer

Jays have the best bullpen in baseball, I insist on clinging to that for as long as I can!

yeah, with baseball's least reliable closer.

browna · 12-15-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ricoFlame

yeah, with baseball's least reliable closer.

They're getting Mike Timlin?

flambers · 12-16-2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ricoFlame

yeah, with baseball's least reliable closer.

Nah, before he was hurt he had a really good season. After his injury he still pitched well... Next season he will be much better.

I agree with Gozer, the Jays Bullpen is solid.

ShaolinFlame · 12-16-2008, 04:19 PM

Theres chatter about the Jays being interested in Daniel Cabrera.

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The Tribune-Review confirmed that the Pirates are one of those teams [In the Daniel Cabrera race]. Other candidates to be involved include the Nationals, Brewers, Blue Jays, Padres and Rangers

Do you think this kid has potential? I don't know much about Baltimore's pitching coach, and if he sucks I could see Arnseburg helping Cabrera out. The one thing I do know is I have seen him pitch a good deal, and he has some of the worst control I have ever seen at times (lots of them). The fact that he throws heat might make him slightly overpriced on top of all that.

Gozer · 12-16-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaolinFlame

Do you think this kid has potential? I don't know much about Baltimore's pitching coach, and if he sucks I could see Arnseburg helping Cabrera out. The one thing I do know is I have seen him pitch a good deal, and he has some of the worst control I have ever seen at times (lots of them). The fact that he throws heat might make him slightly overpriced on top of all that.

Edit: Sorry friend, you've confused these very similar names. You're thinking of Daniel Cabrera.

ShaolinFlame · 12-16-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gozer

Uhhmmm, Cabrera's a SS, he and Furcal are the best free agent short stops on the market. That's why they appear in the same article and missing one would lead to looking at the other.

edit: You're thinking of Daniel Cabrera.

Wow do I ever feel stupid. Those tricky Peurto Ricans...

Still, thoughts on Daniel Cabrera (The one I was thinking of)?

Gozer · 12-16-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaolinFlame

Wow do I ever feel stupid.

I had maximum jackas factor on the correction there, probably could've toned that down a bit. edit: fixed.

Daniel? Based on his scouting report I'd take him on a minor league / project type contract. But I'm sure he'll sign with the Royals or Pirates or somewhere he can stay in the league on pure stuff.
I haven't / don't remember ever seeing him pitch.

ShaolinFlame · 12-16-2008, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gozer

I haven't / don't remember ever seeing him pitch.

The Jays light him up all the time. He is gigantic (6-9, 270), throws a sinking fastball up to 97. The Jays play Baltimore a lot so he is hard to miss, I am surprised you don't remember him. The few games I have seen where he has shown good command he blows guys away. Problem is he seems to have stamina problems from what I've seen, and around the 5th (at the latest) he tends to lose a lot of control.

Here is Lindy's blurb on him from last seasons Preview Mag:
[In 2007]
Led the AL with 18 losses, 108 BBs, 133 runs allowed, and 126 ER allowed. 3rd in hit batters.

Big tall hard thrower. Chicken wing type arm action in the back. Relies heavily on the sinking fastball and the slurvey breaking ball on which he varies the speed and break. Struggles to get strikes and lacks confidence in changeup. Pitches better in windup than the stretch. Shows signs of learning how to pitch, but still has a distance to travel. Not much of an athlete.

That made me laugh.

Now i have to go look at his numbers from last season...

(And my feeling weren't hurt, don't worry)
(Coach McGirk is awesome)

Furthermore, 2008:

(Apparently I am too stupid to make a table, so http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=425555.)

ricoFlame · 12-16-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by flambers

Nah, before he was hurt he had a really good season. After his injury he still pitched well... Next season he will be much better.

I agree with Gozer, the Jays Bullpen is solid.

the jays pen is solid, there is no doubt. Ryan isn't.

ShaolinFlame · 12-16-2008, 05:56 PM

Update from Bastion (VIA MLBTR):

Jordan Bastian says the Blue Jays are not one of the teams that have offered a contract to Daniel Cabrera. The Jays are interested, but want to see Cabrera pitch in the Dominican Winter League before making an offer...Cabrera's agent says eleven teams have shown interest and Cabrera has received two contract offer.

flambers · 12-17-2008, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ricoFlame

the jays pen is solid, there is no doubt. Ryan isn't.

Based on what? Before his injury he was a solid closer... I thought he was solid last season considering the type of injury he came off.

I am hoping the Jays will trade him, obtain a good prospect and rebuild. I don't see anyway they will be competitive this year......

Gozer · 12-17-2008, 09:14 AM

Ryan was one year removed from a two-year injury, so his lack of raw stuff is explainable. The fact that he was so effective at closing games with one pitch in the upper 80s is kind of a testament to the guy.

flambers · 12-17-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Gozer

Ryan was one year removed from a two-year injury, so his lack of raw stuff is explainable. The fact that he was so effective at closing games with one pitch in the upper 80s is kind of a testament to the guy.

Yep I totally agree....

ShaolinFlame · 12-29-2008, 02:37 PM

Jays Sign Michael Barrett:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/1...ays-sig-1.html

Minor League Deal

KootenayFlamesFan · 01-16-2009, 10:08 AM

Looks like Zaun is going to Baltimore

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The Baltimore Sun reports the deal, which is still pending a physical, is for one-year and $1.5 million. The contract also includes a team option for 2010 that would pay Zaun $2 million if picked up or $500,000 if bought out.

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=2634...headlines_main

ShaolinFlame · 01-16-2009, 11:50 PM

Kooteny, I cannot let you get away with that.

If we are gonna talk former Jays, I must mention that everybody's favorite ex-Jay, Josh Towers, has signed a minor league deal in Washington (Yes, JT is still playing ball, and yes, someone is dumb enough to pay him).

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/0...als-ink-t.html

flambers · 01-17-2009, 02:42 PM

As for other news, I read a few days ago CBC will not show any Blue Jays games this year.

ShaolinFlame · 01-17-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by flambers

As for other news, I read a few days ago CBC will not show any Blue Jays games this year.

It is a shame that the one thing Jim Hughson can do well has been stripped from him.

cross16 · 01-18-2009, 09:54 PM

I think Ryan will bounce back. No doubt the Jays have the best, or very close to it, bullpens in the league. its fairly young too which also helps.

that being said, i really think the Jays have run their course with Riccardi and need to blow things up. Too many guys pulling high payroll to have enough depth and pieces. i think they need to start putting just about everyone on the market and rebuild with some youth. Other wise they'll just be stuck in mediority forever.