Fitness freak?

[Dynasty12]

Here we go...


Protein is made of amino acids. amino acids pretty much are what build your muscle.. hence the reason why protien is very important.

Whey Protien is the best for postworkout due to the fact that your body is starving for protien after a good workout. Whey is digested in 30 mins. You keep going on about eggs, which are an albumen, they take a bit longer to go down (looking at 1-3 hrs) Eggs are excellent dont get me wrong but this is something i'd make in the middle of the day for a snack. Whey Protien is the only way after working out.


Creatine is 100% natural buddy!!! its in many foods and this is the reason its not illegal. unless you want to make eating a burger illegal! For someone who is serious about working out its going to improve recovery time, engery, pumps.


the best part about is there has NEVER NEVER NEVER been reported side effects in a reports or studies. its never been proved to be harmfuly toxic.

[Ch40s]

Originally Posted by Dynasty12

Here we go...


Protein is made of amino acids. amino acids pretty much are what build your muscle.. hence the reason why protien is very important.

Whey Protien is the best for postworkout due to the fact that your body is starving for protien after a good workout. Whey is digested in 30 mins. You keep going on about eggs, which are an albumen, they take a bit longer to go down (looking at 1-3 hrs) Eggs are excellent dont get me wrong but this is something i'd make in the middle of the day for a snack. Whey Protien is the only way after working out.


Creatine is 100% natural buddy!!! its in many foods and this is the reason its not illegal. unless you want to make eating a burger illegal! For someone who is serious about working out its going to improve recovery time, engery, pumps.


the best part about is there has NEVER NEVER NEVER been reported side effects in a reports or studies. its never been proved to be harmfuly toxic.

Just because you say something is true does not mean it is.

I've grown extremely tired of scouring the internet for information to disprove ridiculous, biased, and plain old uneducated claims.

Human growth hormone is naturally produced in the body too. Why doesn't everyone take it?

Feel free to argue about this with a qualified nutritionist. They know much more about it than I do and I'm sure most would love to lecture you about these topics.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

Just because you say something is true does not mean it is.

Speak for yourself.

Where are those links proving that Creatine does not build muscle mass?

I've grown extremely tired of scouring the internet for information to disprove ridiculous, biased, and plain old uneducated claims.

Better keep scouring some more.

It'll probably take forever to find something to back up the lies you've been spouting the past 3 pages.

Human growth hormone is naturally produced in the body too. Why doesn't everyone take it?

Feel free to argue about this with a qualified nutritionist. They know much more about it than I do and I'm sure most would love to lecture you about these topics.

You have yet to prove that Creatine does NOT build muscle mass, something YOU said. You have 'yet' to prove that protein powder is NOT a safe and effective way to help you get your need amount of protein each day. Sure I can eat eggs all day, drink milk, go out for a beef steak, but the truth is, after a workout you need protein that will be absorbed by your body quickly. There is a reason the PWO shake/meal/whatever is recommended within a 'half hour' after the workout.


Qualified nutritionists are recommending the stuff. Just because you can't seem to wrap your 'stubborn' head around the idea that is works, doesn't mean its 'not' the truth.

I asked you earlier in the thread to provide 'any' evidence to back up your claims. You have yet to do so. Even with your quotes, you provided no links.

But here, take a look at this...something YOU quoted.

and high protein foods are much more expensive than other foods

No way. I thought you said it would be cheaper on the wallet to eat high-protein foods instead of spending 40 bucks on protein powder that lasts me 4 months because I don't use it everyday?

More of your gems...

and the rest is turned into carbohydrates for energy, burned directly for energy, or stored as fat, because your body has no way of storing excess protein.

This is EVEN more likely 'without' the use of protein powder. There are many different types of foods HIGH in protein, but they contain very little amino acids. Eggs are one of the 'few' foods that contain all 9 essential amino acids needed for NPO. Notice I said 'few.' Protein powder on the other hand, ALSO contains all 9 essential amino acids need for NPO....therefore it is less likely that if you use protein powder that your body will convert the excess protein into carbohydrates or fat.

And more...

For athletes in training, the recommended protein intake is .5-.9 g/lb body weight. For example, a 150-lb athlete should consume 75-135 g of protein (0.5-0.9 g/lb body weight x 150 lb= 75-135 g of protein).

But wait...according to that I must consume almost 200 grams of protein each day.

Lets see, perhaps I should increase my egg consumption to 33 per day, but wait, that would equal almost 2300 MORE calories.

Or, I could drink 25 cups of 2% milk each day, but wait, that would equal almost '3300' MORE calories.

Or I could eat an equivalent of 5 MORE cups of Chicken Breast each day, but that would equal almost 1600 more calories each day.

Or, I could eat 6 more six oz cans of Tuna each day, equaling a modest 750 MORE calories.

Instead of going overboard with 'any' of that, I try to get 100 grams of protein from food, and 30 each day from protein powder. I've counted calories for a while now, and according to my records, WITHOUT the protein shake, I'd only be getting around 60-90 grams of protein each day. Considering my workout schedule, that is NOT enough. WITH the protein shake, and a can of tuna here and there, I can increase that amount to 150 grams per day, while at the SAME time, only eating a mere 2500 calories per day.

As might have noticed already, I am trying to cut at the same time, which means I can't eat egg whites left, right and center to get my protein.

The shake allows me to get my protein, but keep my calories down. Plus, it only accounts for 15% of what I 'should' be taking.

Both my doctor AND nutritionist recommend it for the time being; I am making gains WHILE using it; I do NOT have health risks....and you have yet to prove to me that is NOT safe.

Until than....well, I'll continue to use my protein powder. As you might have noticed, so will a lot of other people. And none of us are going to die, IF we use it 'not' as a meal replacement, but as it was intended, after your workout.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

Just because you say something is true does not mean it is.

I've grown extremely tired of scouring the internet for information to disprove ridiculous, biased, and plain old uneducated claims.

Human growth hormone is naturally produced in the body too. Why doesn't everyone take it?

Feel free to argue about this with a qualified nutritionist. They know much more about it than I do and I'm sure most would love to lecture you about these topics.

1) You haven't posted a single factual link regarding creatine.

2) The links you posted with regards to Protien say eating it in excess is bad. Great. I think everyone KNEW already eating too much protien isn't good for you. Nor was anyone in this thread actually talking about eating too much protien, but rather getting enough to qualify for their daily intake values.

[Ch40s]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

2) The links you posted with regards to Protien say eating it in excess is bad. Great. I think everyone KNEW already eating too much protien isn't good for you. Nor was anyone in this thread actually talking about eating too much protien, but rather getting enough to qualify for their daily intake values.

Azure said:

Originally Posted by Azure

Because the body is unable to store it, excess protein is broken down and converted into sugars or fatty acids. The liver removes nitrogen from the amino acids, so that they can be burned as fuel, and the nitrogen is incorporated into urea, the substance that is excreted by the kidneys.

From what I gather, he's assuming that it isn't stored as fat. It is, see the links I've posted.

Azure is obviously trying to lose weight, hence why he likes his protein shakes because they have very few calories. Well if Azure had talked to a qualified nutrition instead of a meathead at the local GNC, he could have altered his diet to include the amount of protein he needs, instead of guzzling protein shakes. The high protein content of shakes may in fact be hindering his weight loss, since the excess protein is converted into fat in the body.

This kind of reckless abandon and not reading labels or talking to experts means most of the people taking supplements are taking them irresponsibly.

I can agree that Creatine supplements may increase performance in some athletes. That doesn't mean everyone needs to take them.

Before buying supplements, talk to a nutritionist or a professional. Know how they affect your body and know how they work. I have no problem with someone taking them if a trusted professional has given them the green light.

[Dynasty12]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

Just because you say something is true does not mean it is.

I've grown extremely tired of scouring the internet for information to disprove ridiculous, biased, and plain old uneducated claims.

Human growth hormone is naturally produced in the body too. Why doesn't everyone take it?

Feel free to argue about this with a qualified nutritionist. They know much more about it than I do and I'm sure most would love to lecture you about these topics.

Different story. Now where talking about things that have been proved to be harmful to the body. Any roid is going to you up pretty good. Kidney stones, shrinkage etc..

If you can find me one report that links creatine to be harmful. I'll buy you a $100 gift card to any store of your choice.

I'd love to talk to any nutrionist about creatine. I'd love to hear what they say creatine will do to the body.

[Ch40s]

Originally Posted by Dynasty12

Different story. Now where talking about things that have been proved to be harmful to the body. Any roid is going to you up pretty good. Kidney stones, shrinkage etc..

If you can find me one report that links creatine to be harmful. I'll buy you a $100 gift card to any store of your choice.

I'd love to talk to any nutrionist about creatine. I'd love to hear what they say creatine will do to the body.

Originally Posted by http://www.bodybuilding-supplement-guide.com/creatine-side-effects.html

Side effects most commonly reported for short-term creatine use include nausea, stomach upset, dizziness or weakness, loose stools, diarrhea, muscle cramping, weight gain and dehydration.

Creatine side effects for long-term use, especially in high dosages, are currently not known. There is a possibility that excess creatine can put stress on the kidneys and liver because it converts into creatinine that in high dosage could act as a toxin.

That's straight from a site that sells the stuff.

Now I'm not suggesting by posting this that everyone, or even a minority will suffer these side effects. Some people may see increases in performance with zero side effects. Good for them.

I'm simply saying it isn't worth the risk. There's a lot of products on the market, and a lot of potential risks with them. At this moment, I feel zero need to have to boost my performance or anything like that. If, for some reason, I do feel that need.. then I'll speak to a nutritionist and educate myself on the products if need be. There are plenty alternatives that you really shouldn't need to take products like these.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

Well if Azure had talked to a qualified nutrition instead of a meathead at the local GNC, he could have altered his diet to include the amount of protein he needs, instead of guzzling protein shakes. The high protein content of shakes may in fact be hindering his weight loss, since the excess protein is converted into fat in the body.

Azure has said repeatedly in this thread that he has consulted both his physician and nutritionist. I'm not sure what you want him to say here. You just seem to be stuck in some classic straw man fallacies.

[Dynasty12]

Again you fail to provied a report or any cases. Keep in mind it also says excess amount, an excess amount of anything is going to be bad for you. If you OD anything it can screw you up. Find be a report that shows creatine has high toxin levels if any at all.

And the side effects upset stomach having the s... I've never seen these my friends never have.. Maybe if your a ass bitch. You may get this.

At the end of the day you've never talked to anyone about this. Unless your prof got his degree in a back alley. My own doctor has not said anything against creatine. Just like anything else control the amounts your putting in your body and again unless your a tard it wont be an issue. After my loading stages, its one scoop after the workout and then drink water to hydrate myself.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

From what I gather, he's assuming that it isn't stored as fat. It is, see the links I've posted.

I never assumed anything.

You are wrong, again.

Azure is obviously trying to lose weight, hence why he likes his protein shakes because they have very few calories.

Yes, one protein shake, 130 calories, 30g protein. A good way to stimulate my daily requirement.

Well if Azure had talked to a qualified nutrition

I did talk to a qualified nutritionist.

So you are wrong, again.

instead of a meathead at the local GNC,

Never talked to a meathead at the local GNC. I train at home, not at a gym.

So you are wrong, again.

he could have altered his diet to include the amount of protein he needs,

I have altered my diet to include as much protein as possible. Like I said, I can either take in 350 calories to get 30g protein by eating eggs, or I can drink 'one' shake, only take in 120 calories, but still get 30g protein. Of course I still try to eat eggs, meat, peanuts, etc, etc to get my daily requirement.

Yet after a workout, I need fast absorbing protein; hence the shake.

instead of guzzling protein shakes.

I drink 'one' per day, IF that.

So you are wrong, again.

The high protein content of shakes may in fact be hindering his weight loss, since the excess protein is converted into fat in the body.

According to the 'link' provided by YOU, my daily requirement is 200. I take in anywhere from 100-150g per day. Hardly excess.

So you are wrong, again.

BTW, weight loss is strictly based on calories in, calories out. Not on excess protein being converted into fat in the body. Plus, I am loosing weight, exactly as planned.

This kind of reckless abandon and not reading labels or talking to experts means most of the people taking supplements are taking them irresponsibly.

What kind of reckless abandon?

What is this 'most' people? Why are you assuming that you're the only one reading labels correctly? Why are you assuming that you're the only one eating responsibly, and making sure whatever you put into your body is healthy?

I can agree that Creatine supplements may increase performance in some athletes. That doesn't mean everyone needs to take them.

Nobody said everyone needs to take them.

But its nice to see that you have reverted back from the ignorant posting you had going on earlier.

Before buying supplements, talk to a nutritionist or a professional.

I did.

Get it?

Know how they affect your body and know how they work.

I do.

Get it already?

I have no problem with someone taking them if a trusted professional has given them the green light.

A trusted professional did give me the green light.

Can you shutup now?

[Ch40s]

Alright here's the deal: I don't know when you're lying, I don't know when you're telling the truth.

All I know, and you can believe this or not, is I've been lectured to avoid supplements.

You haven't.

Congratulations.

You do your thing, I'll do mine.

Enjoy your loose stools.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

That's straight from a site that sells the stuff.

You forgot this part...

These generally occur with dosages greater than 5 grams a day. So try to keep yourself from blasting mega doses of this stuff or you’ll be sitting on the pot for a long while.

Well no kidding.

You forgot this part.

Negative creatine side effects in the form of strains and sprains can occur or perhaps even muscle tears when over enthusiastically individuals rapidly increase their workout regimen before their tendons and ligaments have adapted to the increase in muscle size and power.

Hardly side effects for the normal user.

Now I'm not suggesting by posting this that everyone, or even a minority will suffer these side effects. Some people may see increases in performance with zero side effects. Good for them.

A lot of people see performance increases with zero side effects.

There is a reason Creatine has been scientifically proven to work.

BTW, I never asked for a link in regards to the side effects. I asked for a link about your earlier claim that taking Creatine will NOT increase muscle mass, build endurance, increase speed and increase strength.

I provided links to scientific studies done by 'professionals' as you call them, 'proving' that Creatine is PROVEN to work.

Just because a site selling Creatine linked the article, that doesn't make it any less valid. If I knew science supported the product I was selling, naturally I would link the research to my website.

I'm simply saying it isn't worth the risk.

There is no risk if you use the stuff as told.

5g per day - good to go. Just like everything else, too much is never good.

There's a lot of products on the market, and a lot of potential risks with them. At this moment, I feel zero need to have to boost my performance or anything like that.

Good for you. But don't apply that argument to everyone else.

Again, you're talking about a risk that does not exist. Sure considering the stuff isn't exactly tested by health standards and anyone in their back yard could be making it, there will be products out there that have ingredients that are not healthy. That is why its important to stick to the stuff recommended by professionals. Like my nutritionist.

If, for some reason, I do feel that need.. then I'll speak to a nutritionist and educate myself on the products if need be. There are plenty alternatives that you really shouldn't need to take products like these.

Good for you.

I felt the need and did speak to my nutritionist about it. She recommended certain supplements. I now use them.

Is that clear enough English for you?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

Alright here's the deal: I don't know when you're lying, I don't know when you're telling the truth.

All I know, and you can believe this or not, is I've been lectured to avoid supplements.

You haven't.

Congratulations.

You do your thing, I'll do mine.

Enjoy your loose stools.

I do know when you're lying though, considering you've been doing it this whole thread.

Good though, go away. We don't need your ignorance here.

[Ch40s]

Originally Posted by Azure

I do know when you're lying though, considering you've been doing it this whole thread.

Good though, go away. We don't need your ignorance here.

I can make claims like this too:

A nutritionist would never suggest supplements. You've consistently backtracked, linked crap for evidence, and lied throughout this thread.

You've proven nothing, only that you're an stubborn beefnuts, who is willing to lie in favor of something so juveneille as trying to disprove that my professor suggested that I shouldn't take supplements.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

I can make claims like this too:

A nutritionist would never suggest supplements. You've consistently backtracked, linked crap for evidence, and lied throughout this thread.

You've proven nothing, only that you're an stubborn beefnuts, who is willing to lie in favor of something so juveneille as trying to disprove that my professor suggested that I shouldn't take supplements.

Where have I lied?

Where have I back-tracked?

Where have I linked crap for evidence?

Where are your links to prove that Creatine has NOT been scientifically proven to work? I would really appreciate them, as taking something that has NOT been scientifically proven to work isn't a good idea, and considering that you seem like a nice enough guy to me, why not help us all out before we fall over and die?

[Ch40s]

Originally Posted by Azure

Where have I lied?

Where have I back-tracked?

Where have I linked crap for evidence?

Where are your links to prove that Creatine has NOT been scientifically proven to work? I would really appreciate them, as taking something that has NOT been scientifically proven to work isn't a good idea, and considering that you seem like a nice enough guy to me, why not help us all out before we fall over and die?

Where have I lied?

Where are your links to prove supplements are 100% safe? Where are your links from professional nutritionists or researchers that, not only allow their clients to take supplements, but encourage them to? Where is any evidence whatsoever that suggests I should have any reason to take supplements like these, when I can do things, like change my diet for more protein with powder, much easier, cheaper, and nutritionists support fully?

[arloiginla]

Question for those "in the know":

How do you go about getting fit (weight training mainly) if you have limited equipment at home (ie a curl bar only) and don't want to bother going to the gym?

Is it possible to exercise all the muscle groups efficiently or is more needed?

And no this question has nothing to do with my interest in The Girl

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

Where have I lied?

Sigh.

I looked into it further and have come to the conclusion that it does not assist significantly in everyday weightlifter's performance nor will it assist in muscle mass gain.

Eh?

Better keep on looking my friend.

Nevermind the fact that you never looked, and the only explantion for the above could be as something made up on the spot, considering it isn't even slightly true.

In other words, a lie.

Like I said, the performance results from Creatine are negligible.

No way.

It isn't making you stronger or anything,

For real? Man.

Creatine, generally, has negligible effects on the everyday weight lifter.

You're kidding!

it would not help them gain muscle mass.

Edit: If creatine has any affect on you whatsoever, that affect is simply squeezing a little bit more performance out of you, not changing your capabilities.

Where are your links to prove supplements are 100% safe?

Eh? Who said anything about supplements? I'm talking about Creatine.

I did provide links. You choose to ignore them, despite the people who wrote the articles being well qualified.

Where are your links from professional nutritionists or researchers that, not only allow their clients to take supplements, but encourage them to?

Its pretty hard to link my physician or nutritionist to the site. But hey, you could always take a weekend drive and we'll go talk to both of them.

Somehow I doubt that will happen.

Oh right, need a link?

http://www.bla.net/opul/crfaq.htm

Read up.

Notice the Scientific References in section 7.

Look, more.

http://www3.baylor.edu/HHPR/ESNL/publications/BG-00.pdf

Heck, I'll quote the 'important' part as I have a feeling you'll ignore it.

As of this writing, there have been over 250 studies on creatine supplementation. Of these, about 180 have evaluated the ergogenic value of creatine supplementation in untrained subjects, athletes, and patient populations. The majority of these studies (about 65%) indicate
that creatine supplementation promotes a statistically significant improvement in exercise capacity. This means that 95 times out of 100, if you take creatine as described in the study, you will experience an improvement in the type of exercise evaluated.

is any evidence whatsoever that suggests I should have any reason to take supplements like these, when I can do things, like change my diet for more protein with powder, much easier, cheaper, and nutritionists support fully?

I never said evidence exists that you should 'take' protein powder instead of eating right. I only EVER said that it can help stimulate the daily protein requirements for someone with a busy lifestyle, who DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTHY FOOD 24 HOURS A DAY.

Geez.
BTW, found those links yet?

Still waiting.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by arloiginla

Question for those "in the know":

How do you go about getting fit (weight training mainly) if you have limited equipment at home (ie a curl bar only) and don't want to bother going to the gym?

Is it possible to exercise all the muscle groups efficiently or is more needed?

And no this question has nothing to do with my interest in The Girl

Body weight exercises.

Dips, pullups, pushups, situps....

Here is a good link.

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/t...ictraining.htm

[arloiginla]

Originally Posted by Azure

Body weight exercises.

Dips, pullups, pushups, situps....

Here is a good link.

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/t...ictraining.htm

Would these prove effective over a 90-day period or longer?