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flames85 · 02-25-2007, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

So you think the Earth is 6,000 years old?

Realize that by agreeing to that, you completely ignore the Bible verse that points out how one day is like a million years to God.

i need scriptures.

Azure · 02-25-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by photon

Ah but doesn't the New Testament say that the OT was written by good and Holy men for our instruction? Even Jesus said that until heaven and earth pass away not an iota or a dot will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

EDIT: Before that Jesus says he didn't come to destroy the law or prophets, but to fulfill. Not sure what's meant by fulfill there, but I'm sure it doesn't mean invalidate.

Fulfill would mean to come and verify what the prophets prophesied about.

And I'm still looking for the verse that mentions something about disregarding the petty laws the Jewish people formed in the Old Testament.

Darn Bible...

flames85 · 02-25-2007, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

My friend, you're addressing one of the most sane members on CP regarding religious viewpoints.

so your not gonna answer the question? cause i'm going somewhere with this...

FireFly · 02-25-2007, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by flames85

how am i judging anyone? i am just stating what i believe is wrong. i still love everyone just as you do. how do you go about spreading the word of god to homosexuals without judging?

Personally? I don't. Are you going to tell me I'm a bad Christian because I don't spread the word?

flames85 · 02-25-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

Personally? I don't. Are you going to tell me I'm a bad Christian because I don't spread the word?

no, but you just finished saying that you agree with spreading the word. so tell me how do you go about spreading the word without judging?

Burninator · 02-25-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

So you want to take the right from a Canadian citizen to voice their opinion because they don't agree with what you're saying? Or what you believe?

Whoa chill out. You are stretching my words immensely. I did not say that.

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Not everyone who is religious looks at gay marriage like I do. Trust me, my viewpoint is often ostracized.

That very well could be, I would tend to disagree. But the most out spoken are the ones with a religous stance.

photon · 02-25-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by flames85

ministers, pastors..etc. are human just like you and me, they sin too.

can i ask you if your married??

Of course they are and they do. However in the context of the point about being a man of God, leading the flock, etc, I was asking how do you tell the difference between a true man of God worth of following, and someone who isn't in communion with God?

What relevance is my marital status?

Azure · 02-25-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by flames85

i need scriptures.

2 Peter 3:8
‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.'

Psalm 90:4
‘For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.’

FireFly · 02-25-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

Ok you are probaly right and I am sure you know more about this. But still the only reasons I brought up the old testament was because someone else did.

I know why you did. I was trying to help you and him... Forgive me, but I'm judging him an idiot. Trying to help more him than you. He keeps talking about all this stuff like he knows, when he really doesn't know. You ask questions because you don't and you're curious.

calgaryrocks · 02-25-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

Personally? I don't. Are you going to tell me I'm a bad Christian because I don't spread the word?

doesnt the great commission call for christians to spread the message of salvation(sorry if thats not what your referring to but thats the way i understood what you said)

flames85 · 02-25-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by photon

Of course they are and they do. However in the context of the point about being a man of God, leading the flock, etc, I was asking how do you tell the difference between a true man of God worth of following, and someone who isn't in communion with God?

What relevance is my marital status?

well i would say if you are married how do you know you are married to the right person?

as to knowing a real man of God, i say get to know some ministers / pastors... and you will know when you meet one.

Azure · 02-25-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by flames85

so your not gonna answer the question? cause i'm going somewhere with this...

I think your question was addressed at Photon, but I'll answer anyways.

No I'm not married.

If that was your question...

photon · 02-25-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Fulfill would mean to come and verify what the prophets prophesied about.

And I'm still looking for the verse that mentions something about disregarding the petty laws the Jewish people formed in the Old Testament.

Darn Bible...

I think I recall seeing something about that as well (disregarding petty laws). I just think sometimes the OT to NT transition is used too much of a cop out about some of the crazy things that went on in the OT.

Azure · 02-25-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by flames85

lost me, as i said before not that educated, but i do know what i believe and i don't believe in charter of rights i believe in a law more superior to that!

Romans clearly points out that all Christians should respect the government, because God put the government there for the good of the people.

Here,

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Romans 13:1-4, TLB. "Obey the government , for God is the one who has put it there. ***EDIT*** So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow.

I edited out a verse in between because it would most likely start a flame war. Seeing how some people on here have a problem with God being in charge of who is leading the government.

FireFly · 02-25-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by flames85

no, but you just finished saying that you agree with spreading the word. so tell me how do you go about spreading the word without judging?

Well, first, you know what you're talking about. That's an important part in spreading the word. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the light. All who know me will see the gates of Heaven" Or some such thing. It's pretty close anyways. You see, it doesn't matter, as long as you know Jesus. The key is to know him. And to know Him, is to know how to love and to not judge.

The key is knowing which words you're supposed to spread. Once you figure that out, you'll realize that spreading them without judging people is rather easy.

Azure · 02-25-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

Are you going to tell me I'm a bad Christian because I don't spread the word?

Which is another misconception.

Some people 'spread the word' better by living their lives through a Christian manner, then those who go on the corner and try to preach to an deaf crowd.

FireFly · 02-25-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by calgaryrocks

doesnt the great commission call for christians to spread the message of salvation(sorry if thats not what your referring to but thats the way i understood what you said)

Yes it does. And my point is that you have no right to judge me for not spreading the word as God will judge me Himself.

flames85 · 02-25-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

2 Peter 3:8
‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.'

Psalm 90:4
‘For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.’

your scripture's are in regards to eternal life, One day with the lord will be the same as a thousand, meaning there is not timeline it's eternity. ....don't really know where your going with this?

Azure · 02-25-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

Whoa chill out. You are stretching my words immensely. I did not say that.

Just making sure.

My point still stands though; in a land of religious freedom, and freedom of speech, everyone has the right to voice their opinion, even on gay marriage.

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That very well could be, I would tend to disagree. But the most out spoken are the ones with a religous stance.

Certainly. That is their right.

Some would even call it their calling.

Burninator · 02-25-2007, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

I know why you did. I was trying to help you and him... Forgive me, but I'm judging him an idiot. Trying to help more him than you. He keeps talking about all this stuff like he knows, when he really doesn't know. You ask questions because you don't and you're curious.

Hey that's fine I understand. Lets call it a mix of curiosity and challenging. I have a problem when some people hold a view point, not from forming their own opinion, but instead having their opinions told to them.