Toyota developing blood alcohol sensor in steering wheels

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

That's all you got?

Ok....if you want to drive on your own property....then you have a right to do so....if you want to drive on public property....then it becomes a privilege.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ok....if you want to drive on your own property....then you have a right to do so....if you want to drive on public property....then it becomes a privilege.

Driver's Handbook Online

The Driver's Handbook Online is a guide only. For official purposes, please refer to the Highway Traffic Act, the Motorized Snow Vehicles Act and the Off-Road Vehicles Act of Ontario.
If you're learning to drive in Ontario, then this is for you. It's all here—rules of the road, safe driving practices and how to get your licence to drive a car, van or small truck.

Driving is a privilege—not a right.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dan...k/contents.htm


Appellate courts in other provinces have all held that driving is not a right protected by s.7 of the Charter:

R. v. Neale (1986), 52 C.R. (3d) 376 (Alta C.A.);
Prince Edward Island (Registrar of Motor Vehicles) v. Rankin (1991), 30 M.V.R. (2d) 122 (P.E.I.S.C.A.D.);
Ginther v. Sask. Govt. Ins., [1988] 4 W.W.R. 738 (Sask. C.A.);
Paganelli v. Ontario (Reg. Of Motor Vehicles) (1987), 6 M.V.R. (2d) 252 (Ont. Div. Ct.);
R. v. LeClair (1990), 20 M.V.R. (2d) 47 (Man. Q.B.);
White v. Nova Scotia (Registrar of Motor Vehicles) (1996), 20 M.V.R. (3d) 192 (N.S.S.C.);
R. v. Smith (1989), 14 M.V.R. (2d) 166 (Y.C.A.)

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Driver's Handbook Online

The Driver's Handbook Online is a guide only. For official purposes, please refer to the Highway Traffic Act, the Motorized Snow Vehicles Act and the Off-Road Vehicles Act of Ontario.
If you're learning to drive in Ontario, then this is for you. It's all here—rules of the road, safe driving practices and how to get your licence to drive a car, van or small truck.

Driving is a privilege—not a right.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dan...k/contents.htm


Appellate courts in other provinces have all held that driving is not a right protected by s.7 of the Charter:

R. v. Neale (1986), 52 C.R. (3d) 376 (Alta C.A.);
Prince Edward Island (Registrar of Motor Vehicles) v. Rankin (1991), 30 M.V.R. (2d) 122 (P.E.I.S.C.A.D.);
Ginther v. Sask. Govt. Ins., [1988] 4 W.W.R. 738 (Sask. C.A.);
Paganelli v. Ontario (Reg. Of Motor Vehicles) (1987), 6 M.V.R. (2d) 252 (Ont. Div. Ct.);
R. v. LeClair (1990), 20 M.V.R. (2d) 47 (Man. Q.B.);
White v. Nova Scotia (Registrar of Motor Vehicles) (1996), 20 M.V.R. (3d) 192 (N.S.S.C.);
R. v. Smith (1989), 14 M.V.R. (2d) 166 (Y.C.A.)

Still haven't looked up privilege, eh.

Just another erosion of our rights by small minded power grabbers.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Still haven't looked up privilege, eh.

Just another erosion of our rights by small minded power grabbers.

What are you talking about?????

A privilege means that something is not afforded to everyone....LIKE DRIVING!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Still haven't looked up privilege, eh.

Just another erosion of our rights by small minded power grabbers.

JOLINAR IS A POWER GRABBER!!!!! YOU BEAST!!!!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

JOLINAR IS A POWER GRABBER!!!!! YOU BEAST!!!!

Get Bent.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

What are you talking about?????

A privilege means that something is not afforded to everyone....LIKE DRIVING!!!!!!!

No, it means a special right.
When 90% of the population can do something, it's hardly special.

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Get Bent.

LOL!!!

Too good. Very clever.

Getting bent is not a right guaranteed under the CCRF.

The problem with you is that you are having difficulty with what a basic, fundamental 'right' is.

Although entertaining, your posts are sadly missing logic and rational thought.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Get Bent.

Ok.....if I got a negative skill rating of -3 for a one word post telling someone else their post was "weak". This better get a negative skill rating.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ok.....if I got a negative skill rating of -3 for a one word post telling someone else there post was "weak". This better get a negative skill rating.

So now you are calling for mommy?

Originally Posted by Vulcan

No, it means a special right.
When 90% of the population can do something, it's hardly special.

The problem is, privildege and right are 2 totally seperate words with 2 totally seperate meanings. In this case, you used the word 'right' to define a priviledge. Doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me.

For example, when i state, 'I have the priviledge of attending Game 7 of the SCF' it means that certain factors fell into place that ALLOWED me to attend. It is completely different than, 'I have the right to attend Game 7 of the SCF' meaning I, for whatever reason, seem to think that I am entitled to or deserving of attending Game 7 of the SCF based soley on some arbitrary factor usually, being human.

Originally Posted by Vulcan

So now you are calling for mommy?

JOLINAR IS A POWER GRABBING MOMMY CALLER!!!! YOU BEAST!!!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

The problem is, privildege and right are 2 totally seperate words with 2 totally seperate meanings. In this case, you used the word 'right' to define a priviledge. Doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me.

That's just it, they are not seperate meanings. I was quoting the dictionary when I used special 'right' to define a privilege. Like I've said, look it up, so it will make sense to you.

Originally Posted by Vulcan

That's just it, they are not seperate meanings. I was quoting the dictionary when I used special 'right' to define a privilege. Like I've said, look it up, so it will make sense to you.

Sigh.

The only connection I can really see is that a right allows some sort of special privilge- as in the right to unreasonable search and seizure affords me the privilige of not being arbitrality searched by agents of the state. In that sense there is a relationship. However, you are misunderstanding the contxt in which it relates to driving.

Please tell me you weren't using wikipedia.

I am not asking for a dictionary definition. I CAN look that up and probably find what I am looking for too, post it and pretend I'm really smart.

My stance is that they are not the same thing. I think my example, which you conveniently ignored, points that out.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Let me guess, none of you looked up the word 'privilege', eh.

Webster's Dictionary (www.m-w.com) defines 'right' as this:

1 : qualities (as adherence to duty or obedience to lawful authority) that together constitute the ideal of moral propriety or merit moral approval
2 : something to which one has a just claim: as a : the power or privilege to which one is justly entitled <voting rights> <his right to decide> b (1) : the interest that one has in a piece of property -- often used in plural <mineral rights> (2) plural : the property interest possessed under law or custom and agreement in an intangible thing especially of a literary and artistic nature <film rights of the novel>

(and a whole bunch more... bold emphasis mine)

So, something that is moral... not driving. privilege that one is justly entitled.. also not driving.

'privelege' is defined as this:

: a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor :

A right that is granted as a benefit, advantage, or favor. So, this means, even in the definition, that it is not universal.

As has been said before, driving is a privilege, not a right. It is not something that everyone should expect to be able to do but something that those that are fit and capable should expect to be able to do. Sometimes that is a small distinction, but is a distinction none-the-less.

[Vulcan]

I was using Answers.com which uses a number of sources.

In the United States and I imagine other countries as well driving is considered a right. Just because driving is regulated doesn't mean it's not a right. Voting is regulated but is now considered a right whereas at one time it was a privilege.

Here's the US link. The site is sketchy but the info on this topic should be good although his conclusions are out to lunch.


http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%2...vingRight.html

A much better article.

http://teamliberty.net/id18.html