U.N.: Israeli airstrike hits U.N. observer post

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

And now today, another terrorist attack by a terrorist nation.

At least 60 Lebs killed in Qana including many children in another "accidental" attack by Israel.

Its a terrible terrible waste of life, and both sides of this conflict have blood on thier hands for this one. Israel for the bombs, and the Hezbollah for siting a rocket launching site right next to the building. Call Israel a terrorist nation all you want, but don't go ignoring the provocation.

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

To call this anything other than an act of terrorism is absolute BS. It's about time the world called things evenly. When a Muslim kills someone (usually by way of a suicide bombing or old school rocket) its called terrorism, but when Israel or the US kill people with advanced technology and bombs (which usually kill way more people than the Muslim terrorists ever do) nobody mentions the word terrorism. This is complete crap. It's not a "War on Terror", its a "War OF Terror" and its about time Israel and the US got called on it by the rest of the world.

At least Israel is trying to go after legitimate targets, and they did send warning that the attack was going to happen as oppossed to Hezbollah who aim thier rockets at the middle of civilian centers and light the fuse. Or send some jacked up martry with a bomb on his chest into the middle of a market, a a bus or a school ground where they can kill as many civilians as possible.

I think the U.S. and Israel are being called out on it just fine thanks. They've been villified and blamed for every military, and socio-economic problem in the region whether thier involved in it or not. Maybe if Lebanon had acted against the Hezbollah as they've been told to by the UN we wouldn't be in this mess at all. However Israel does have to take some of the blame, as thier response has been heavy handed, however I can see why they would react in this way since they've been pushed and prodded and attacked and had thier civilians attacked and murdered since the inception of thier nation.

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

I know I'll get a bunch of idiotic, borderline racist replies from all the Jew apologists on here, but you ######s can go F yourselves. One day you people will get what you deserve. A day like today just created tons of new Islamic "terrorists".

I'm going to say it now, and I'll probably get banned for it, but I guess I would have to live with it. But this paragraph ****es me off to no end. The fact that your calling people idiot and borderline racist whom you've never met paints you as an ignorant a$$. The fact that you call anyone who is looking at this from both sides and is not readily and fully condemning Israel Jew Apologists makes you a racist hate filled idiot. Hey maybe I can give you the addresses of some of my relatives, thier Jewish you know, maybe you can sit down with them and explain to them why thier so evil.

I also find it interesting that you said that this day has created new Islamic terrorists. Thats interesting as you've just made a general indictment against a whole religion.

I was heartened to see that some Islamic groups have stepped forward to slam the radical Islamic groups here and abroad, these are the types of people that should be leading thier religions. Not the idiots who's sole job is to recruit more ignorant, and uneducated people who believe that thier religious right is to die with thier hands around the throat of a Jewish Pig.

But I guess that would make you happy, because then we would get what we deserve right? If your a practicing Muslim I feel sorry for you because you've completely mis-interpreted your religion. If your not I suggest you pick up the Koran and read it.

The Extremists have created this situation and caused death and destruction for innocent civilians on both sides of this conflict, and I find that almost as sad as your ridiculous hate filled racist post, but continue to ignore one side of this debate if it makes you feel happy and wise.

Don't bother responding to this post, I won't see it because your type of garbage really belongs on my ignore list, where it can take up the same kind of space on the Internet as the Spam telling me that I can get a cheaper mortgage if I give them my credit card number.

Sorry to everyone else, but this fools post struck a strong nerve.

[Calgaryborn]

In my opinion the true criminals here are firstly Hezbolah for hiding in amonst homes and civilians and secondly the parents who chose to let themselves and their children become human shields.

When London was being bombed in WW2 they sent the majority of the children and a lot of the women to the country out of harms way. They didn't need leaflets to be dropped imploring them to protect their children. It is a natural reaction for parents to protect. Why was these children still hold up in an area where Hezebolah was firing missiles? Did they acheive martyrdom for themselves by standing in harms way?

If I was Israel I wouldn't risk any of their native sons in a land war sorting through who is civilian and who is terrorist. If people were firing rockets or rocks for that matter at Canada with the intent to murder civilians I would blast whereever those rockets came from. I wouldn't ask my sons to deal with landmines and ambushes to save my enemies children either. I didn't put them in harms way: They did.

As far as the UN goes; they're idiots! You don't expect a nation who was drawn into a war to meet force with equal force. You attack with every asset you have in order to defeat the enemy quickly and decisively. If the UN would have enforced their order for Hezbolah to disarm and leave the border area this war wouldn't have happened.

Now this war will continue until Hezbolah is destroyed or they run out of their stockpile of rockets that they were allowed to collect and hide under the watchful eye of the UN.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

As far as the UN goes; they're idiots! You don't expect a nation who was drawn into a war to meet force with equal force. You attack with every asset you have in order to defeat the enemy quickly and decisively. If the UN would have enforced their order for Hezbolah to disarm and leave the border area this war wouldn't have happened.

So, you have no problem with suicide bombers, terrorist attacks, chemical and biological warfare, dirty bombs, or pillaging?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

So, you have no problem with suicide bombers, terrorist attacks, chemical and biological warfare, dirty bombs, or pillaging?

WHAT?? Again twist the post.

Thats not what he is saying, He didn't say go and kill everything in site to end the war. If Israel wanted to do that, they could. You use your military to rid yourself of your military targets as fast as possible with the least amount of collateral damage.

All that other crap that you are talking about has nothing to do with what he said.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

WHAT?? Again twist the post.

Thats not what he is saying, He didn't say go and kill everything in site to end the war. If Israel wanted to do that, they could. You use your military to rid yourself of your military targets as fast as possible with the least amount of collateral damage.

All that other crap that you are talking about has nothing to do with what he said.

What now?

He said; "...attack with EVERY asset".

So what did I twist around? It's a direct quote. If you're saing that he didn't mean an advisary has the right to use "every" asset, then you are the one twisting the post.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

What now?

He said; "...attack with EVERY asset".

So what did I twist around? It's a direct quote. If you're saing that he didn't mean an advisary has the right to use "every" asset, then you are the one twisting the post.

OK THEN

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

What now?

He said; "...attack with EVERY asset".

So what did I twist around? It's a direct quote. If you're saing that he didn't mean an advisary has the right to use "every" asset, then you are the one twisting the post.

I don't think you can apply that to terrorist activities, but to a nation that has a true standing army.

There is some legality in war, and the rules of war have been accepted by most "nations."

[home_sweet_dome]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

At least Israel is trying to go after legitimate targets, and they did send warning that the attack was going to happen as oppossed to Hezbollah who aim thier rockets at the middle of civilian centers and light the fuse. Or send some jacked up martry with a bomb on his chest into the middle of a market, a a bus or a school ground where they can kill as many civilians as possible.

Ooooh, they sent leaflets as warnings! Wowzers, I guess that changes everything. In that case I'll be sure to send you a leaflet and be over at your place tomorrow guns ablazing. Of course you would still have the means to get the hell outta there as you would have running water, electricity, access to readily available transportation, and your roads and bridges and airports aren't already bombed. "Luxuries" these innocent people had taken away from them, before their lives were also taken.

As for the rockets, lets face it, they're primitive and quite frankly suck. Even when they fire 1000 rockets that are trying to kill people, they're lucky if they can even injure a dozen or so. Muslim "terrorists" resort to rockets and suicide bombs cuz thats the only weapons they have. They don't have the luxury of tanks, laser guided bombs and advanced technology that Israel does because they don't get billions of dollars of military funding from the good old USA.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

however I can see why they would react in this way since they've been pushed and prodded and attacked and had thier civilians attacked and murdered since the inception of thier nation.

Typical Israeli apologist BS. Once again, Israel has advanced weaponry, bombs and technology, thanks to their good buddies and fellow terrorist nation, the US of A. The Muslim "enemy" has outdated rockets, suicide bombers and the amazing weapon known as rocks. Count the # of Israili deaths vs. Muslim deaths over the years. It ain't even close. And to say it's only the Muslims that start the aggression is another load of crap. It works both ways Captain.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm going to say it now, and I'll probably get banned for it, but I guess I would have to live with it. But this paragraph ****es me off to no end. The fact that your calling people idiot and borderline racist whom you've never met paints you as an ignorant a$$. The fact that you call anyone who is looking at this from both sides and is not readily and fully condemning Israel Jew Apologists makes you a racist hate filled idiot. Hey maybe I can give you the addresses of some of my relatives, thier Jewish you know, maybe you can sit down with them and explain to them why thier so evil.

Read much? When did I call every Jew a racist or hater? In the 2 threads on this topic, there's been plenty of anti-Muslim and borderline racist statements. My statement only referred to the folks making those assinine statements.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I also find it interesting that you said that this day has created new Islamic terrorists. Thats interesting as you've just made a general indictment against a whole religion.

Well how do you think these people become terrorists? Perhaps days when members of their family are killed for no good reason. I'm not condoning it, and NO WHERE did I say that I like or side with terrorists, but I'm willing to bet Hezbollah just got a few new recruits as a result of today's actions. Are you saying you disagree with that?

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I was heartened to see that some Islamic groups have stepped forward to slam the radical Islamic groups here and abroad, these are the types of people that should be leading thier religions. Not the idiots who's sole job is to recruit more ignorant, and uneducated people who believe that thier religious right is to die with thier hands around the throat of a Jewish Pig.

But I guess that would make you happy, because then we would get what we deserve right? If your a practicing Muslim I feel sorry for you because you've completely mis-interpreted your religion. If your not I suggest you pick up the Koran and read it.

The Extremists have created this situation and caused death and destruction for innocent civilians on both sides of this conflict, and I find that almost as sad as your ridiculous hate filled racist post, but continue to ignore one side of this debate if it makes you feel happy and wise.

Don't bother responding to this post, I won't see it because your type of garbage really belongs on my ignore list, where it can take up the same kind of space on the Internet as the Spam telling me that I can get a cheaper mortgage if I give them my credit card number.

Sorry to everyone else, but this fools post struck a strong nerve.

Ya, my post obviously struck some nerve, the hate nerve. FYI, I am a Muslim and I hate terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah and Al-Qaeda. Undoubtedly extremist Muslim organizations deserve a lot of blame for the situation however Israel and the US deserve just as much, if not more. BOTH sides commit terrorist acts and as such, BOTH sides should be labelled as terrorists, which was the point of my original post. The terrorists on BOTH sides "should get what they deserve" and hopefully one day they will.

As for "ignorant and uneducated", that pretty much describes you, along with over 50% of America, to a tee. Perhaps you're the one that should open your eyes to both sides of the debate as your kind will continue to blame Muslims for their fate and keep making excuses for Israel and the US.

Anyways go back to your excuse making and self righteous patting on the back. Oh, and continue to vote for good old Harper, heck he's probly related to you. Just don't be surprised when we get attacked in the next few years as a result of the stance of our govt and meatheads like yourself.

Anyways no amount of words or reason is ever gonna change your thinking or ignorance, so have a nice life. Good night now.

P.S. It's called the Qur'an, not Koran you numbnut.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

What now?

He said; "...attack with EVERY asset".

So what did I twist around? It's a direct quote. If you're saing that he didn't mean an advisary has the right to use "every" asset, then you are the one twisting the post.

What you twisted was the aim. Attacking civilians for the sake of killing them doesn't help put an end to war. You attack military targets whereever they lie. Using dirty bombs or chemical weapons invites that kind of response. Obviously it is a moral line which Israel and the civilized world has not been willing to cross.

Hezbolah like Syria and Iran have stated numerous times that their goal was the eradication of Israel. When western press is there they speak of chunks of dirt but, their true aim is demonstrated in how they fight.

Israel's aim is in this conflict is to eliminate the missiles and those who fired them. The UN and Lebanon failed in this mission and because of that it has caused the lost of over 500 lives.

Israel has agreed to suspend its bombing for two days in the hope that the civilians will leave Hezbolah to there fate. I suspect some will chose the martyr's death for them and their families even yet:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14100258/

[jolinar of malkshor]

At least it is an attempt, I dont see Hezbollah shooting out warnings are telling the Israeli's where they are going to fire thier rockets.

So as long as the weapons are primative and suck ass, it is ok to shoot at others and not expect retaliation?

Your the one bringing religion in to this. It just so happens that most, if not all, of Hezbollah are practicing Muslims. Can't change that fact.

I do agree with you that the more Israel does damage and kills these people the more resentment and terrorist attitudes will arise. I guess the question to you is, is Israel just suppose to sit back and let Hezbollah kidnap their solidars and shoot missles at their cities? If the UN was actually effective I would agree that Israel should just hold off and wait for it to be resolved that way, but we all know the UN can't solve jack ****. Maybe NATO should go in.

You sure spout out some pretty hateful stuff for not liking these terrorist organizations.

What does Harper have to do with this???? He agrees that Israel has a right to defend it self, so what? But according to you, since he has this stance, it's free rain on Canada by the Terrorists? Is that what your saying, because if it isn't let me know.

A lot of people spell it both ways, including Muslims.

2 entries found for koran.

Ko·ran or Qur·’an Pronunciation Key (k-rn, -rän, kô-, k-)
n. The sacred text of Islam, considered by Muslims to contain the revelations of God to Muhammad. Also called Alcoran.
[Arabic (al-)qur’n, (the) reading, recitation, Koran, from qara’a, to read, recite. See qr in Semitic Roots.] Ko·ranic adj.
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koran
n : the sacred writings of Islam revealed by God to the prophet Muhammad during his life at Mecca and Medina [syn: Koran, Quran, al-Qur'an, Book

[Azure]

Ooooh, they sent leaflets as warnings! Wowzers, I guess that changes everything. In that case I'll be sure to send you a leaflet and be over at your place tomorrow guns ablazing.

Okay, I'll bite.

What exactly do you expect them to send? Israel is doing their best to prevent the killing of innocent civilians, yet you still think human error is a mistake.

Of course you would still have the means to get the hell outta there as you would have running water, electricity, access to readily available transportation, and your roads and bridges and airports aren't already bombed. "Luxuries" these innocent people had taken away from them, before their lives were also taken.

Maybe you should blame the Lebanese government for that, as they are the ones that supported and allowed Hezbollah, a terrorist organization set to destroy a legal nation, to set up shop and even be elected to government.

As for the rockets, lets face it, they're primitive and quite frankly suck. Even when they fire 1000 rockets that are trying to kill people, they're lucky if they can even injure a dozen or so. Muslim "terrorists" resort to rockets and suicide bombs cuz thats the only weapons they have. They don't have the luxury of tanks, laser guided bombs and advanced technology that Israel does because they don't get billions of dollars of military funding from the good old USA.

Thats BS and you know it. You're trying to justify Hezbollah's rocket attacks against Israeli cities, and not Israeli military targets.

There is a difference in trying to hit military targets, and "trying" to hit innocent civilians. Clearly you don't understand that.

Israeli doesn't get funding from the US, they pay for every single piece of equipment they buy. So shut the hell up about that already.

Typical Israeli apologist BS. Once again, Israel has advanced weaponry, bombs and technology, thanks to their good buddies and fellow terrorist nation, the US of A. The Muslim "enemy" has outdated rockets, suicide bombers and the amazing weapon known as rocks. Count the # of Israili deaths vs. Muslim deaths over the years. It ain't even close. And to say it's only the Muslims that start the aggression is another load of crap. It works both ways Captain.

I find the bolded part very insulting to a poster that has very much earned respect on this board.

Before you spout your BS, use the search button and actually look up the posting history of the person you want to degrade. If anyone is trying to be morally responsible on both sides of this issue, CC is.

You on the other hand believe that since Hezbollah cannot gain access to the technology that Israel has, they have every right to attack Israel, and "try" to kill innocent civilians, while it is wrong for Israel to attack Hezbollah.

Read much? When did I call every Jew a racist or hater? In the 2 threads on this topic, there's been plenty of anti-Muslim and borderline racist statements. My statement only referred to the folks making those assinine statements.

And one of those folks would be yourself.

Well how do you think these people become terrorists? Perhaps days when members of their family are killed for no good reason. I'm not condoning it, and NO WHERE did I say that I like or side with terrorists, but I'm willing to bet Hezbollah just got a few new recruits as a result of today's actions. Are you saying you disagree with that?

So we should sit back, like Britain tried to do during WW2, and tell ourselves if we leave those people alone, the problem with go away?

The theory of isolation has never worked.

Ya, my post obviously struck some nerve, the hate nerve. FYI, I am a Muslim and I hate terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah and Al-Qaeda. Undoubtedly extremist Muslim organizations deserve a lot of blame for the situation however Israel and the US deserve just as much, if not more. BOTH sides commit terrorist acts and as such, BOTH sides should be labelled as terrorists, which was the point of my original post. The terrorists on BOTH sides "should get what they deserve" and hopefully one day they will.

If you hate them, why do you side with them so much on this issue? Why don't you support Israel in their mission to rid of the world of them?

As for "ignorant and uneducated", that pretty much describes you, along with over 50% of America, to a tee. Perhaps you're the one that should open your eyes to both sides of the debate as your kind will continue to blame Muslims for their fate and keep making excuses for Israel and the US.

50% of America? Can you back that up, or is it an "un-educated" guess?

Anyways go back to your excuse making and self righteous patting on the back. Oh, and continue to vote for good old Harper, heck he's probly related to you. Just don't be surprised when we get attacked in the next few years as a result of the stance of our govt and meatheads like yourself.

Keep throwing insults. It really helps to get your point across.

Anyways no amount of words or reason is ever gonna change your thinking or ignorance, so have a nice life. Good night now.

P.S. It's called the Qur'an, not Koran you numbnut.

Oh shut the hell up.

Who really gives a flying crap what its called?

[home_sweet_dome]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

What does Harper have to do with this???? He agrees that Israel has a right to defend it self, so what? But according to you, since he has this stance, it's free rain on Canada by the Terrorists? Is that what your saying, because if it isn't let me know.

Defend itself from what exactly? And to call it a measured response? What a joke. And then to basically blame the Canadian UN soldier for his own death after Israel was clearly responsible (another terrorist act BTW). Stephen Harper has clearly taken a VERY pro-Israeli stance in this saga and is basically a puppet of the world's biggest terrorist himself, George Dubya. It's embarrassing, but certainly not shocking, that our Conservative PM agrees with Bush 100%.

This policy leaves us very open to a terrorist attack and I'd be surprised if this didn't happen in the next few years. Of course I'm not saying I want this, but if you can't see that Harper's policy would make Canada a target, you ain't very bright. Seeing as how you ain't so bright, I ain't gonna bother responding to the rest of your crap as you'll never understand much anyways, but thanks for trying.

[home_sweet_dome]

Originally Posted by Azure

Israeli doesn't get funding from the US, they pay for every single piece of equipment they buy. So shut the hell up about that already.


Oh shut the hell up.

Who really gives a flying crap what its called?

Wow, just absolutely freaking WOW. After reading your response as well as many of your other responses in political threads, all I can say is you are the absolute scum of the earth. You may as well be a freaking Jewish Hitler.

Israel gets S***loads of funding from the US. Heck, the neo-con wing of the US govt is gladly willing to sacrifice not only American money, but American blood too for the sake of Israel. What do you think one of the biggest reasons for the Iraq war was.

Don't bother responding as I will NEVER read any of your s*** again or ever respond to you again. Anything else I could possibly say to you would result in a ban, so I'll leave it at that.

[jolinar of malkshor]

There are many other countries that agree that Israel has a right to defend its self not just the USA and Canada.

People keep talking about a measured response. Well if they wanted to they could wipe out the entire area in South Lebanon as that is the strong hold of Hezbollah, but they don't. They do there best to stike only military targets but it is hard when Hezbollah hides in civilian houses. You never comment on that do you....

So your answer is, lets bow to terrorist pressure, don't say anything bad about them for fear of reprisal. Way to stand up for democratic values. Thats what they want. I am glad that the new government has taken a the stance they have. Under the liberal government Hezbollah remained a a legal humanitarian organization up until a few years ago. Way to fight the terrorist organization.

[jolinar of malkshor]

all I can say is you are the absolute scum of the earth. You may as well be a freaking Jewish Hitler.

Wow.................................Do you think Israel has a right to exist?

[Azure]

Defend itself from what exactly? And to call it a measured response? What a joke. And then to basically blame the Canadian UN soldier for his own death after Israel was clearly responsible (another terrorist act BTW).

That would be the same Canadian soldier that was complaining about Hezbollah setting up shop around the UN bases.

Stephen Harper has clearly taken a VERY pro-Israeli stance in this saga and is basically a puppet of the world's biggest terrorist himself, George Dubya. It's embarrassing, but certainly not shocking, that our Conservative PM agrees with Bush 100%.

He agrees with Bush 100%? Really?

Better then taking a 100% stance in favour of terrorism, something you advocate, and support.

This policy leaves us very open to a terrorist attack and I'd be surprised if this didn't happen in the next few years. Of course I'm not saying I want this, but if you can't see that Harper's policy would make Canada a target, you ain't very bright. Seeing as how you ain't so bright, I ain't gonna bother responding to the rest of your crap as you'll never understand much anyways, but thanks for trying.

I guess you ignored the part where I explained that isolation doesn't work. Or is that over your head?

[Azure]

Wow, just absolutely freaking WOW. After reading your response as well as many of your other responses in political threads, all I can say is you are the absolute scum of the earth. You may as well be a freaking Jewish Hitler.

I'll take the moral highroad, and leave your insults alone.

Israel gets S***loads of funding from the US. Heck, the neo-con wing of the US govt is gladly willing to sacrifice not only American money, but American blood too for the sake of Israel. What do you think one of the biggest reasons for the Iraq war was.

Alright. And what exactly does that funding do? Give them free weapons?

I suggest you look up who recieves more funding? Israel, or the Muslim nations around them?

Every single weapon Israel has acquried from the US has been paid for. And there is "nothing" wrong with that.

Don't bother responding as I will NEVER read any of your s*** again or ever respond to you again. Anything else I could possibly say to you would result in a ban, so I'll leave it at that.

Fine by me, but I don't appreciate being degraded by someone like yourself.

Spread your hate somewhere else.

[spiteface]

Azure and joan of arch aren't pro-israeli, no way.

My point - what's the point in arguing.

32 kids dead. Justify that kids.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by spiteface

Azure and joan of arch aren't pro-israeli, no way.

My point - what's the point in arguing.

32 kids dead. Justify that kids.

It is very sad and the reason why Israel has agreed to a 48 hour cease fire to determine what happened.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Alright. And what exactly does that funding do? Give them free weapons?







Spread your hate somewhere else.

Why yes it does. Sometimes your misinformation is appalling. Have you ever considered working for a tobacco company?

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html