Israel and Lebanon now fighting

[Azure]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

I agree with CC and most of his post, in fact, for the most part I agree with most of Isreal's policies and dealings with their middle eastern neighbours.

Really? CC agrees with what Israel is doing, and feels it is necessary in the journey to accomplish peace in the ME.

Here is what you think of Israel and their actions so far....I must say, very far from what CC is saying, in fact that is directly what he disagreed with....

Here's hoping they stop killing innocent people and bullying the governments of their neighbours.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Azure

Here is what you think of Israel and their actions so far....I must say, very far from what CC is saying, in fact that is directly what he disagreed with....

Way to put words in his mouth...

It's never good to kill innocent civillians but it is sometimes unavoidable. Hezbollah and other guerrillas are known to live and operate in civilian areas, so it's impossible to pick them out.

[Nehkara]

I know that Israel is doing the majority of the damage, but it's not like Hezbollah is playing nice. They've fired 300+ rockets thus far into Israel... if the kidnappings weren't an act of war... this certianly is. Israel is justified in its response, especially given the circumstances.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Azure

Really? CC agrees with what Israel is doing, and feels it is necessary in the journey to accomplish peace in the ME.

I'm not sure if that was quite the end I was getting too Azure. I think Israel has taken the pragmatic view that peace in the region with any of the non-moderate Arab states is an impossibility.

The only piece of land that they haven't given up is the West Bank, and its never gotten them a peaceful settlement.

This is why Israel has always been driven to have the most modern and best trained Military at least on that side of the World. They're not doing this for peace, they're doing it for security. Israel can live with aggressive neighbours as long as they have a large trip wire, and they can fight thier battles on somebody else's soil.

There won't ever be peace in that region until the Extreme Arab States get moderated and recognize Israel's right to exist, and this is going to happen either through gradual change caused by thier citizens, or through force.

Boy am I ever a downer tonight.

[Lucky boy]

Originally Posted by Azure

In the end the terrorist organizations and the governments that support them will be wiped out.

Too bad your pathetic, one sided, hate Israel attitude won't get you farther then the crappy, one dimensional life you live,

Good luck with seeing one side of everything. You and your kind make me sick. Hell, even Lanny can acknowledge that the terrorist organizations need to be taken out, and me and him diagree just about 100% of foreign policy.

You're a dick. Your love for spreading hate is disgusting.

Isreal has chosen to hold the entire population of Lebanon and Gaza hostage in response to their three soldiers being captured. They have taken out power plants and destroyed roads. How are people supposed to survive when nothing is allowed to enter the country. Most of the world is suggesting that Isreal is being too drastric in their response. I understand Isreal are tired of being attacked all the time and want to secure their safety, but I believe they should have shown way more restraint.

I was suprised by Harper's comments about the situation. I don't understand what Canada has to gain by supporting Isreal. I am not saying that we had to condem Isreal, but honestly I would think it would be better to just say something, "we hope the civillians are unhurt" or something like that. To come out and say it Isreal is right is just makes us a target for terrorism. I know its wrong to show fear to terrorists, cause that is what fuels their existance, but I don't know what we gained by those comments. Mabye Harper is trying to clean up the mess the liberals left when they angered the US and disagreed to attack Iraq.

By the way, Iraq is completely destroyed right now. It has no economy, no army, no nothing. It is a complete disaster zone that will be in civil war for the next 10 years. The next generation of Iraqis will live a life of violence and poverty. I fear that in the name of destroying terrorism. other countries are going to end up in the same situation.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Really? CC agrees with what Israel is doing, and feels it is necessary in the journey to accomplish peace in the ME.

Here is what you think of Israel and their actions so far....I must say, very far from what CC is saying, in fact that is directly what he disagreed with....

Your funny....

You may want to take an anger managment class, assuming that is your problem, perhaps if that is not it a reading comprehension course would be more your bag. Certainly not creative writing, my word, you have the imagination of Lewis Carol, writing yourself a little story here eh bud.

My advice to you: If you want to debate the issues with someone dont immediatley jump down their throats after a meaningless off the cuff remark that wasnt directed towards you in the first place. Dont immpose an oppinion on me or anyone else after 1 BLOODY SENTENCE, thinking you know "my type". I could sink to your level and make comments about what i think of your "type", but i dont know you yet, that woudnt be repestful now would it?

The reason the white doorknob found his way on to my ignore list(which you had such a problem with) is beacuse i have ZERO intrest in debating someone who has a disregard for fact, and no respect for his fellow CP'ers, your a perfect example of that Azure, but if you come back to the thread admit you were wrong and appolijize, I am willing to give you another chance, K?

[Nehkara]

Hezbollah fired 10 rockets into Haifa, killing 8 and wounding 20. Hit a train station, apparently narrowly missing oil refineries.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...l-lebanon.html

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Lucky boy

Isreal has chosen to hold the entire population of Lebanon and Gaza hostage in response to their three soldiers being captured.

Don't you mean 'held hostage'?

Originally Posted by Lucky boy

They have taken out power plants and destroyed roads. How are people supposed to survive when nothing is allowed to enter the country. Most of the world is suggesting that Isreal is being too drastric in their response. I understand Isreal are tired of being attacked all the time and want to secure their safety, but I believe they should have shown way more restraint.

Guess they should just try to negotiate a peace treaty.. Wait...

Originally Posted by Lucky boy

I was suprised by Harper's comments about the situation. I don't understand what Canada has to gain by supporting Isreal. I am not saying that we had to condem Isreal, but honestly I would think it would be better to just say something, "we hope the civillians are unhurt" or something like that. To come out and say it Isreal is right is just makes us a target for terrorism. I know its wrong to show fear to terrorists, cause that is what fuels their existance, but I don't know what we gained by those comments. Mabye Harper is trying to clean up the mess the liberals left when they angered the US and disagreed to attack Iraq.

Spoken like a true coward.

Originally Posted by Lucky boy

By the way, Iraq is completely destroyed right now. It has no economy, no army, no nothing. It is a complete disaster zone that will be in civil war for the next 10 years. The next generation of Iraqis will live a life of violence and poverty. I fear that in the name of destroying terrorism. other countries are going to end up in the same situation.

IIRC, the last couple generations lived that way too. The difference is, their fate was in the hands of a dictator. A pretty ruthless, violent dictator.



Sorry for the hit and run... I'm really not overly interested in wading into this debate. That post was just too far over the top.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Updates from this morning:

- Israeli forces are quickly trying to evacuate all civilians from southern Lebanon before they initiate a massive, massive air strike to that area hoping to wipe out the Hezbollah's mobile rocket launchers

- Hezbollah's leader made a statement this morning to the people of Lebanon saying that Israel is unaware of their capabilities and that they possess rockets which will reach much further than Haifa and if provoked, will use them

- The United States are working on a plan to remove Americans trapped in Lebanon. This should happen in the next few days.

[CaptainCrunch]

Watching Syria's ambassador in an interview this morning makes me extremely angry.

He ignores the fact that Israel has given up land for peace. Ignores the fact that Hazbollah has started this current crisis.

Outright lies about Syria's support of Hezbollah.

How in the F can anyone possibly negoitate with these people.

I almost feel sorry for Lebanon's government in this crisis, they're being played for dupes by these extremist governments in Syria and Iran.

The Syrian ambassador bleats that they want peace in the region in one hand, but thier underhanded interfearance in the region combined with thier support of a notorious terrorist group makes me want to puke.

Sorry rant off.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Dont immpose an oppinion on me or anyone else after 1 BLOODY SENTENCE, thinking you know "my type". I could sink to your level and make comments about what i think of your "type", but i dont know you yet, that woudnt be repestful now would it?

I really don't care.

You wrote that sentance, and directed it towards Israel, why shouldn't I quote it?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Way to put words in his mouth...

It's never good to kill innocent civillians but it is sometimes unavoidable. Hezbollah and other guerrillas are known to live and operate in civilian areas, so it's impossible to pick them out.

I never put words in his mouth, thats what he said.

[Lucky boy]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Don't you mean 'held hostage'?

Guess they should just try to negotiate a peace treaty.. Wait...

Yes you are right, the life of one Isreali soldier is worth more than both countries combined

Originally Posted by 4X4

Spoken like a true coward.

I don't see the benefit in supporting something that most of the world thinks is wrong. I would rather be smart than brave.

Originally Posted by 4X4

IIRC, the last couple generations lived that way too. The difference is, their fate was in the hands of a dictator. A pretty ruthless, violent dictator.

My dog craps better stuff than the **** you just wrote

Originally Posted by 4X4

Sorry for the hit and run... I'm really not overly interested in wading into this debate. That post was just too far over the top.

There have beens posts far more extreme on both sides than mine

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Azure

I really don't care.

You wrote that sentance, and directed it towards Israel, why shouldn't I quote it?

Quoting the sentence = 100% Fine

Misquoting my intentions, and immposing and oppnion on me with nothing but said sentence to go on = Moronic

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Quoting the sentence = 100% Fine

Misquoting my intentions, and immposing and oppnion on me with nothing but said sentence to go on = Moronic

Spelling police: Imposing. Opinion.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Lucky boy

Yes you are right, the life of one Isreali soldier is worth more than both countries combined

Thats a fairly simplified argument isn't it? It ignores the fact that these were abductions and attacks within the borders of Israel, it also ignores the soldiers that were killed, and the continuous rocket attacks that have been hitting Israeli civilian areas for the longest time.

Originally Posted by Lucky boy

I don't see the benefit in supporting something that most of the world thinks is wrong. I would rather be smart than brave.

This ignores the statesment that was released today by the G8, which condemms Hezbollah, and asks Israel to show retraint. It also ignores the statements by Egypt and Saudi Arabia. A lot of these nations that have fired off these blind condemnations are taking a hypocritical stance. The Russian condemnation is fairly funny considering thier actions in Chechnia (sp?), the French and thier continual interferance in world wide affair, and the fact that the Russians and French make a great deal of money in the Arab world in supplying weapons.

Originally Posted by Lucky boy

My dog craps better stuff than the **** you just wrote

c'mon, even if your ****ed at what someone says on this board, its thier opinion and valid. I think we should all leave the personal insults in the schoolyard where they belong. And besides he did have a somewhat valid point about conditions in Iraq, its just more apparent now that the media has a higher access in Iraq then they did under Hussein.

Originally Posted by Lucky boy

There have beens posts far more extreme on both sides than mine

Hey granted, I think whats disturbing is the lack of respect on all sides on this board and especially on this thread.

[Jayems]

Just reported on CNN that a canadian family vacationing in southern lebanon was killed by an airstrike.

[CaptainCrunch]

Saw that, its pretty tragic.

I'm wondering why they were still around so many days into this crisis. I know I would have been out of there on the first day even if I had to swim out.

Its a bad day all around.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Lucky boy

I don't see the benefit in supporting something that most of the world thinks is wrong. I would rather be smart than brave.

Why does most of the world think Israel is wrong? You'd better know the answer to that question before you make that sort of a statement.

Antisemitism plays a huge role in the views of the world's governments when it comes to Israel.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Quoting the sentence = 100% Fine

Misquoting my intentions, and immposing and oppnion on me with nothing but said sentence to go on = Moronic

And if that sentance doesn't spell out your intentions, maybe you shouldn't write it.