Alberta Politics & Government Thread 4.0

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DJones

All taxes are giving money away. I know exactly how they are paid. It's what I get back in return that I find insulting.

Do you revel in your own selfishness? "what I get back". Yes, society was setup for you, and it isn't giving you all you desire, so you bitch and whine and want to tear our country apart because you've decided you don't get enough. You sound a lot like a Libertarian, the philosophy that is incompatible with civilization. So please, leave and live in your own fiefdom of one, who gets everything. But stop ####ing up society for the rest of us.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Do you revel in your own selfishness? "what I get back". Yes, society was setup for you, and it isn't giving you all you desire, so you bitch and whine and want to tear our country apart because you've decided you don't get enough. You sound a lot like a Libertarian, the philosophy that is incompatible with civilization. So please, leave and live in your own fiefdom of one, who gets everything. But stop ####ing up society for the rest of us.

I am libertarian.. every single social program should be voluntary.

I would likely end up paying more for taxes than I do now. My community needs more tax revenue and I would gladly support that increase.

There's about fifty percent of my tax revenues being spent on #### I do not value

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DJones

I am libertarian.. every single social program should be voluntary.

I would likely end up paying more for taxes than I do now. My community needs more tax revenue and I would gladly support that increase.

There's about fifty percent of my tax revenues being didn't on #### I don't care about

"Every single social program should be voluntary" is how you end up with the vulnerable and less fortunate burning your city to the ground.


You've subscribed to a philosophy that is incompatible with society. Would have been nice if you just opened with that.


Canada has no need for the selfish. Why are you here? If you don't like anything about how anything works here, WTF are you even doing? You don't need to hate the place you live. Go somewhere you can swim in your money bin. Please. Soonish would be preferred.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by DJones

I am libertarian.. every single social program should be voluntary.

I would likely end up paying more for taxes than I do now. My community needs more tax revenue and I would gladly support that increase.

There's about fifty percent of my tax revenues being didn't on #### I don't care about

Get ready to spend a lot more maintaining your car because we ain't paving or repaving any more roads in my libertarian fantasyland.

Health Canada can also #### off. I'll decide for myself how much lead I want in my baby formula.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Get ready to spend a lot more maintaining your car because we ain't paving or repaving any more roads in my libertarian fantasyland.

Health Canada can also #### off. I'll decide for myself how much lead I want in my baby formula.

#### man, look up what libertarian means..it's the opposite of authoritarian.

90 percent of roads are built by private industry btw

[Geraldsh]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Is everyone getting mad and arguing the same point?

Citizens are getting shafted at every turn by this government, and nobody knows where the money is going.

Some people are mad at Ottawa for the problems that Alberta has created, it’s not working very well for them.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by DJones

#### man, look up what libertarian means..it's the opposite of authoritarian.

90 percent of roads are built by private industry btw

And where do you think that money comes from?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by DJones

Transfer payments shouldn't be too hard to explain. Everyone gets the same per capita in spending. So the province that pays drastically more in taxes clearly gets less than they paid.

... and yet you somehow fail to do correctly. Provinces do not pay tax, individuals and corporations pay tax and they pay the same rate regardless of where they live. Do think Albertans are entitled to pay a lower federal tax rate by divine right or something? Regardless, Albertan bloviating about equalization is all phoney anyways. Stephan Harper Harper sets the Formula, Alberta politicians *Crickets*... Justin Trudeau keeps the same formula as Harper, Alberta politicians *RABBLE! RABBLE! RABBLE!*... you'll pardon me if I don't want to open up the constitution because the guys up the QEII don't like the color of the tie that the guy in charge of the executive in the nations capital wears.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by DJones

#### man, look up what libertarian means..it's the opposite of authoritarian.

90 percent of roads are built by private industry btw

I know what it means...I used the word fantasyland right there in my post.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Parallex

... and yet you somehow fail to do correctly. Provinces do not pay tax, individuals and corporations pay tax and they pay the same rate regardless of where they live. Do think Albertans are entitled to pay a lower federal tax rate by divine right or something? Regardless, Albertan bloviating about equalization is all phoney anyways. Stephan Harper Harper sets the Formula, Alberta politicians *Crickets*... Justin Trudeau keeps the same formula as Harper, Alberta politicians *RABBLE! RABBLE! RABBLE!*... you'll pardon me if I don't want to open up the constitution because the guys up the QEII don't like the color of the tie that the guy in charge of the executive in the nations capital wears.

Yes, I do think we pay more taxes than anywhere else. By a substantial amount. And no, I don't give a #### what Harper thinks. He was a Fed. Just because he had some good ideas doesn't negate the fact that he's part of the system. Alberta was created to push revenue to central Canada. That's why it was created. Had some success in ,1928, that was about it. Time for some changes

[surferguy]

Do they pay taxes in Haiti? Maybe you could try hanging out there for a few months and see if you like it.

[Wormius]

Self-proclaimed Libertarians often aren’t really Libertarians in the slightest.

[troutman]

I think Albertans do very well tax-wise. No PST, no inheritance taxes, low land title fees, lower property taxes etc.

AI Overview

The top 20% of income-earning families in Canada pay over 50% of all taxes (income, sales, and property taxes). By province, high-income earners in Ontario, British Columbia, Alberta, and Quebec contribute the majority of tax revenue. While Nova Scotia has the highest top marginal tax rate at 54%, Alberta often has the lowest tax burden for high earners.
Fraser Institute

Key Takeaways

Highest Marginal Rates (2025): Nova Scotia (54%), followed by other provinces with rates over 53% (Ontario, B.C., Quebec).

Highest Income Tax Burden: For a $250,000 income, Nova Scotia has the highest effective rate (39%), while Alberta is lowest (32%).

Contribution Distribution: In top provinces, the top 20% of earners pay between 55.5% (Quebec) and 58% (Ontario) of total taxes.

Low Earners: The bottom 20% of income earners pay about 2% of total taxes.
Federal Contribution: Alberta has the highest federal personal income tax per capita, indicating high contributions to federal revenue.

Fraser Institute

Average Property Tax Rates by Province (approximate):

Manitoba: ~2.72%
Saskatchewan: ~1.33%
Ontario: ~0.71% - 1.2% (varies heavily by city)
Quebec: ~0.71%
Alberta: ~0.64%
British Columbia: ~0.29%
Wise

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by DJones

Yes, I do think we pay more taxes than anywhere else. By a substantial amount. And no, I don't give a #### what Harper thinks. He was a Fed. Just because he had some good ideas doesn't negate the fact that he's part of the system. Alberta was created to push revenue to central Canada. That's why it was created. Had some success in ,1928, that was about it. Time for some changes

That's weird. Ontario, BC, and Quebec all paid more...

Province Total Net Federal Tax ($)
Ontario $92,392,834,000
Quebec $43,549,895,000
British Columbia $33,037,732,000
Alberta $29,900,565,000
Manitoba $5,745,495,000
Saskatchewan $5,579,351,000
Nova Scotia $4,464,555,000
New Brunswick $3,167,823,000
Newfoundland and Labrador $2,467,751,000
Prince Edward Island $680,671,000


But maybe you mean individually? Except an individual in some other province with the same figure on their T4 as me pays...the exact same amount of federal tax (assuming same deductions/etc).

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's not how any of this works, and that you use the term "we" as if it is us vs them is further proof people like you are part of the problem. We are Canadian. We are a country. You are not better than them, or more deserving of our fortune in resources to use language like that. Get the #### over it already or get the #### out.

Situated between some imaginary lines and suddenly oil revenue is his. Just a horrible perspective to live under. Hate those people.

[Roughneck]

Athabasca could be a powerhouse if they voted to separate.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I know what it means...I used the word fantasyland right there in my post.

Just spent two days explaining how and why I think sales and property taxes should be the basis of our tax system and I get a "lol obviously the current system is best" response.

#### off and go read anything

[DJones]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

That's weird. Ontario, BC, and Quebec all paid more...

Province Total Net Federal Tax ($)
Ontario $92,392,834,000
Quebec $43,549,895,000
British Columbia $33,037,732,000
Alberta $29,900,565,000
Manitoba $5,745,495,000
Saskatchewan $5,579,351,000
Nova Scotia $4,464,555,000
New Brunswick $3,167,823,000
Newfoundland and Labrador $2,467,751,000
Prince Edward Island $680,671,000


But maybe you mean individually? Except an individual in some other province with the same figure on their T4 as me pays...the exact same amount of federal tax (assuming same deductions/etc).

Yes obviously I meant individually

Now look up next federal tax transfers

[Roughneck]

Prov Total Net Federal Tax (Total Federal Transfers) Net Donor / Receiver
ON - $92,392,834,000 ($29,750,000,000) $62.643B
QC - $43,549,895,000 ($30,256,000,000) $13.294B
BC - $33,037,732,000 ($10,259,000,000) $22.509B
AB - $29,900,565,000 ($9,235,000,000) $20.666B
MB - $5,745,495,000 ($7,781,000,000) $2.036B
SK - $5,579,351,000 ($2,305,000,000) $3.274B
NS - $4,464,555,000 ($5,517,000,000) $1.052B
NB - $3,167,823,000 ($4,939,000,000) $1.771B
NL - $2,467,751,000 ($1,173,000,000) $1.295B
PE - $680,671,000 ($1,055,000,000) $0.374B


https://www.canada.ca/en/department-...transfers.html

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Prov Total Net Federal Tax (Total Federal Transfers) Net Donor / Receiver
ON - $92,392,834,000 ($29,750,000,000) $62.643B
QC - $43,549,895,000 ($30,256,000,000) $13.294B
BC - $33,037,732,000 ($10,259,000,000) $22.509B
AB - $29,900,565,000 ($9,235,000,000) $20.666B
MB - $5,745,495,000 ($7,781,000,000) $2.036B
SK - $5,579,351,000 ($2,305,000,000) $3.274B
NS - $4,464,555,000 ($5,517,000,000) $1.052B
NB - $3,167,823,000 ($4,939,000,000) $1.771B
NL - $2,467,751,000 ($1,173,000,000) $1.295B
PE - $680,671,000 ($1,055,000,000) $0.374B


https://www.canada.ca/en/department-...transfers.html