[News] Waiver Wire Oct 2 - Prosvetov, Kerins clear. Avs claim Solovyov

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ICRed

But If we're talking about what was earned strictly in camp though, there doesn't seem to be any meritocracy to it.

Which of the AHL players do you think really pushed for a spot in their last couple of games?
As I mentioned above, some of these guys were good early on which earned them more opportunity. They didn't sustain that good performance.

I don't think anyone was good enough to displace a vet.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Steve's Stick

Training camp with Huska really is largely a waste of time - Day 1, you could see this is the way it was written-up.

Only variances is keeping Gridin up (for now) and Cooley over Prosvetov as back-up (neither earned it).

Since he's determining the roster in the summer, maybe next year he can get the veterans in earlier so they don't look like horseshi*t with one exhibition game to go.

Bean didn't earn a spot, but after watching Parekh last night closely, Bean might be the best partner for him - ie a more veteran/defensively reliable guy with some offensive instinct to read what Parekh is trying to do.

Kirkland didn't earn a spot (Morton and Kerins were better), but he's the new Rooney.

Kirkland was better than Kerins in Seattle...Kerins got an extra chance last night and had zero hits and -3 the worst amoung forwards.

Kirkland is more physical and better defensively which likely gives him the nod for a 4th line role and likely in and out of the lineup. Kevin Rooney also has 320 NHL games, I know fans don't like 4th line grinders but Kerins dreams of having that career.

[ICRed]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Which of the AHL players do you think really pushed for a spot in their last couple of games?
As I mentioned above, some of these guys were good early on which earned them more opportunity. They didn't sustain that good performance.

I don't think anyone was good enough to displace a vet.

I thought Kuznetsov in particular was very solid. He would be my top pick. Outperformed Bean and Pachal for sure.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Two 19 year olds...Kerins is 23?

I doubt Gridin will stay up for long. He had a great game but overall is not quite ready

Parekh was given the job based on potential

[Caged Great]

Kuznetsov was the main one that I feel earned a spot. Everyone else was basically which meh player is going to be in the bottom six or depth D man. Might as well give the younger guys 1st line ice time in the AHL.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I doubt Gridin will stay up for long. He had a great game but overall is not quite ready

Parekh was given the job based on potential

I don't know about that. Gridin is also a first round pick and he has an NHLers body already and poise. He was out there winning puck battles on the boards. I think he has the most legit chance of them all.

Parekh might keep getting his chance because he can't go to the AHL and only Jrs is his other option, which clearly he is too good for.

[mogg]

Would love to have been a fly on the wall for the goalie conversations. I feel like I usually have some sense of what’s up behind the scenes but not in this case.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ICRed

I thought Kuznetsov in particular was very solid. He would be my top pick. Outperformed Bean and Pachal for sure.

That would have been my top name too and the guy I was relieved to see clear waivers.
But I also think we have to keep in mind that we are only getting a partial view. Watching games on TV makes it tough to evaluate dmen, as you are only seeing what is on the screen, so it's tough to assess things like gap control, positioning, and overall how they are reading the play.
The coaches also are evaluating based on what they see in practice.
So whatever sense we have, is using a fraction of the information they are using.

[dino7c]

There are too many preseason games with AHL players to get a fair read on anything...this is the last year of that though. Yeah AHL top line talent looks like top line talent against AHLers. Next year though there will be a few preseason games and away we go.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I don't know about that. Gridin is also a first round pick and he has an NHLers body already and poise. He was out there winning puck battles on the boards. I think he has the most legit chance of them all.

Parekh might keep getting his chance because he can't go to the AHL and only Jrs is his other option, which clearly he is too good for.

Agreed. I think if Parekh could go to the minors that's where he would start the year, and then would be called up mid-year, or for an injury.
Sucks that's not an option.
I don't think going back to junior helps him at all. Except perhaps for the WJCs depending on how he's doing at that time.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I don't know about that. Gridin is also a first round pick and he has an NHLers body already and poise. He was out there winning puck battles on the boards. I think he has the most legit chance of them all.

Parekh might keep getting his chance because he can't go to the AHL and only Jrs is his other option, which clearly he is too good for.

Yes , he is the best. Question is he ready?

Maybe he is….

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by mogg

Would love to have been a fly on the wall for the goalie conversations. I feel like I usually have some sense of what’s up behind the scenes but not in this case.

I saw a tweet that said Huska decided to go with Cooley as backup for now because he's more familiar with him.

[ICRed]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

That would have been my top name too and the guy I was relieved to see clear waivers.
But I also think we have to keep in mind that we are only getting a partial view. Watching games on TV makes it tough to evaluate dmen, as you are only seeing what is on the screen, so it's tough to assess things like gap control, positioning, and overall how they are reading the play.
The coaches also are evaluating based on what they see in practice.
So whatever sense we have, is using a fraction of the information they are using.

Unfortunately I've been unlucky enough to see all the home games in person so far lol. I get your point and I know my info is limited to that of the game viewing.

Kuzy to me is exactly the profile of LHD that Conroy was reportedly looking to trade for this offseason. Big, physical, mobile and plays a simple game. Perfect for the 3rd pairing to start the year. I thought he earned it.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Those waivers really make me question how much of camp is competing for jobs.

I thought that Kerins was better than a lot of the other bottom 6 forwards as a whole. At the same time I thought that Solovyov, and Kuznetsov showed at least as well as Bean and Miromanov.

I have zero trust in Cooley after this camp. I hope the Flames can find someone else to take the backup job, if they're serious about making the playoffs, otherwise I don't mind tanking either.

On the plus side Gridin is still here, and the waivers probably mean that Huberdaeu and Pospisil are okay.

Doesn't the fact that Gridin is still here prove that camp is competing for jobs?

[dino7c]

I could have told you 90% of every team in the NHL's roster a month ago

likely higher for most teams

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I could have told you 90% of every team in the NHL's roster a month ago

likely higher for most teams

ok... who does Jackson Lacombe play for? lol

none of us knew.

[GioforPM]

Is Filip Larsson better than Cooley?

[Wastedyouth]

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/pla...&draftteam=ALL

In case anyone wants to see what the players possession stats have looked like so far.

Solovyov outplayed Bean, but Bean is a vet, so it's not a surprise he gets more leash.

Kerins was bad (except this last game, he was very good with Zary and Pospisil in his short time with them)

Parekh much better at 5v5 than I expected!

Matvei Gridin is good.

Morton decent. but bottom of the pile against the vets.

Honzek decent. but bottom of the pile against the vets.

Grushnikov looked really good in his game and it shows in the stats (and I was surprised, as I was a big detractor of his before that game)

Pretty much everyone else besides Solovyov who got sent down, kinda deserved it. Some vets are getting more leash, which I suppose isn't surprising. Kirkland is baffling, he's not good, hes barely a vet and he's never been good....

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

How do these contracts work going forward regarding waivers? I'm always out of the loop on these things. So once the season starts would a guy like Kerins be on a 2 way contract and not require waivers?

Assuming he doesn't get claimed this somewhat makes sense. Like many have already stated many times you don't really want Kerins on your 4th line, and if Huby is injured to start the season I'd rather reward Gridin with that spot for a few games. I'm sure Kerins will get some games throughout the season.

1/2 way contracts and waivers have nothing to do with each other. 2 way just means you earn a different salary in the AHL versus NHL.

Once they get waived and not claimed, they are waiver exempt for 30 days or 10 games, whichever comes first. So if they get called back up and stay for 30 days after the waiver or if they play 10+ games in that time, they have to go on waivers again to be sent down.

[Freddy]

Will a better option in goal be put on waivers in the coming days? Back up has got to be the Flames weakest position on the roster.