[Trade] Marner signs (8 x $12 mil AAV) and traded to Vegas for Nik Roy

[Vinny01]

If Vegas gets some type of penalty that hurts their ability to compete next year that is absolutely great news for Flames fans

[Locke]

[Shazam]

Wonder what the blackmail was.

Boston Pizza is made of people?

[Slanter]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Is this not extortion or blackmail?

Sure sounds like it to me. I heard Friedman on a radio hit saying "if there's a sign and trade, then this all goes away ". Well, yeah... so the Leafs are saying "do a trade with us or we'll accuse you of tampering."

I mean, I guess if Vegas has been talking to Marner for a year, then they've opened themselves up to this. I guess you can't really blame the Leafs for putting the screws to them

[ForeverFlameFan]

Are the Leafs considering it tampering because the Knights are backing out of a supposed deal they had with Roy going the other way?

[habernac]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Saying that is like saying you admire foreign scam companies that trick people out of millions a year because they found a loophole to expose the system and are aggressive.

If loopholes exist, the other GMs are stupid to not follow suit. They don’t get sentimental, they move on quickly when they see a skillset expiring and acquire new talent. Wish the teams I cheer for would do that. The New England Patriots did the same for years until Bill got too full of himself.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by habernac

If loopholes exist, the other GMs are stupid to not follow suit. They don’t get sentimental, they move on quickly when they see a skillset expire and acquire new talent. Wish the teams I cheer for would do that. The New England Patriots did the same for years until Bill got too full of himself.

Ya, it's called morality. Not everybody has it, I know.

[habernac]

#### morality. It’s pro sports. Just win, baby.

[BigThief]

Good lord lol. Comparing a bunch of billionaires cheating to see who can pay someone else millions of dollars is not that same as stealing money from normal everyday people. Pretending it is than acting like you're morally superior because of it is pathetic.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Are the Leafs considering it tampering because the Knights are backing out of a supposed deal they had with Roy going the other way?

No. The way Friedman reported it is that if Marner was to just straight up sign with Vegas on July 1st, the Leafs were going to file a tampering complaint with the league. But if Vegas were to do a sign and trade with a good player going to Toronto (like maybe Roy or Hague) then any chance the Leafs file for tampering goes away.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by habernac

#### morality. It’s pro sports. Just win, baby.

Some organizations act with integrity

[browna]

Recall Tim Erixon.
Flames did the same, getting the Rangers to trade for the unsigned Erixon, basically, after the Rangers clearly tampered (wasn't his dad on the Rangers as a player once and then a scout?) with him to get him not to sign with the Flames and go back into the draft.

Flames got Horak and some picks, a few days before Erixon would've gone into the draft again.

Obviously more hush hush because it's not a star player and it was over a decade ago, but same thing. Give us something for Erixon or you'll have a public tampering charge brought up to the league.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Some organizations act with integrity

lol, ok.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by browna

Recall Tim Erixon.
Flames did the same, getting the Rangers to trade for the unsigned Erixon, basically, after the Rangers clearly tampered (wasn't his dad on the Rangers as a player once and then a scout?) with him to get him not to sign with the Flames and go back into the draft.

Flames got Horak and some picks, a few days before Erixon would've gone into the draft again.

Obviously more hush hush because it's not a star player and it was over a decade ago, but same thing. Give us something for Erixon or you'll have a public tampering charge brought up to the league.

Whatever happened to him after that anyway, did he play a game in the NHL?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by browna

Recall Tim Erixon.
Flames did the same, getting the Rangers to trade for the unsigned Erixon, basically, after the Rangers clearly tampered (wasn't his dad on the Rangers as a player once and then a scout?) with him to get him not to sign with the Flames and go back into the draft.

Flames got Horak and some picks, a few days before Erixon would've gone into the draft again.

Obviously more hush hush because it's not a star player and it was over a decade ago, but same thing. Give us something for Erixon or you'll have a public tampering charge brought up to the league.

Don't really think that was the case. Feaster did hint he believed there was something going on, but unless they have some physical evidence, a tampering investigation wasn't going to go anywhere.

If Erixon didn't sign with the Flames, Calgary would have gotten the 23rd pick in the 2nd round as compensation. So a minimum trade value was set.

The Rangers gave an additional 2nd round pick because there was some talk that Erixon could go top 10 in the 1st because he boosted his value playing well in the World Championships that year. Rangers 1st round pick that year was 15th.OA. By paying the additional 2nd they could keep their 15th OA (used on JT Miller) and guarantee Erixon would be theirs.

Horak was kind of throw in, but the Flames also gave up a 5th round pick in the trade.

[Bubba17]

Remember when Dim Jim Benning got caught tampering a couple years back, that $50,000 fine really hurt the Canucks.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Slanter

Sure sounds like it to me. I heard Friedman on a radio hit saying "if there's a sign and trade, then this all goes away ". Well, yeah... so the Leafs are saying "do a trade with us or we'll accuse you of tampering."

I mean, I guess if Vegas has been talking to Marner for a year, then they've opened themselves up to this. I guess you can't really blame the Leafs for putting the screws to them

It is a tough spot that Toronto is putting them in… I think Vegas’s entire offseason plan at this point is to get Marner. They have cap relief from Pietrangelo on LTIR for next season. They can’t afford to take a step back - they have no first round pick and it’s unprotected. They could potentially fall back a bit this season without a big addition. Marner might struggle in the playoffs but he is a regular season machine on both sides of the puck. With him on Vegas, their scoring will go to another level.

So their choices are to pay Toronto whatever they are asking for tomorrow so they can get Marner… or don’t pay up and not get to sign Marner at all because of the tampering issue.

[Krynn]

We should have buried the Rangers when they where Tampering with Fox.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If Vegas gets some type of penalty that hurts their ability to compete next year that is absolutely great news for Flames fans

Nah the NHL probably strips their 2026 first rounder but since it was traded to Calgary, the Flames lose the pick

Wish I was joking but being a Flames fan you never know

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by stemit14

It is a tough spot that Toronto is putting them in… I think Vegas’s entire offseason plan at this point is to get Marner. They have cap relief from Pietrangelo on LTIR for next season. They can’t afford to take a step back - they have no first round pick and it’s unprotected. They could potentially fall back a bit this season without a big addition. Marner might struggle in the playoffs but he is a regular season machine on both sides of the puck. With him on Vegas, their scoring will go to another level.

So their choices are to pay Toronto whatever they are asking for tomorrow so they can get Marner… or don’t pay up and not get to sign Marner at all because of the tampering issue.

There is a third option which is just sign Marner and see if Brad and co can prove there was any tampering.