Is Dustin Wolf Rookie of the Year?

[activeStick]

Toronto media guys talk about how good Wolf has been, his case for the Calder and how even the Hart is not out of the question.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1900940248198119689

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Gio won the Norris in 2019, Kipper won the Vezina in 2006, and Iggy won the Rocket Richard in 2004 and 2002, and the Art Ross and Ted Lindsay in 2002.

Many wouldn't consider the Coach of Year, Lady Byng, Jennings, Leadership, Selke, Masterton, Clancy, etc. to be major awards.
Rather, the Calder, Rocket Richard, Art Ross, Ted Lindsay, Norris, Hart, Conn Smythe, and Vezina are the major awards. This is admittedly arbitrary.

The Flames have 2 out of the 160 major awards in the past 20 years. The average team has about 5 in that time.
I believe the Blue Jackets only have 2 in that period. The Wild only have one. Dallas apparently doesn't have any. Same goes for the Islanders and Sabres.
Interestingly, none of these teams have won any cups in the past 20 years. Buffalo in 2007 is the only Presidents Trophy. These teams only have one finals appearance (Dallas).

Dallas
Jamie Benn, Art Ross 2014-15

His 87 points are the lowest for an Art Ross winner in a non-shortened season in the expansion era (tied with Stan Mikita, 1967-68)

edited to add:

Islanders
Matthew Barzal, Calder, 2017-18

Buffalo
Tyler Myers, Calder, 2009-10
Ryan Miller, Vezina, 2009-10

[Scroopy Noopers]

Groups of players should be voting. Like forwards for goalies, D and goalies for forward, all players for coach, etc…

[getbak]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Gio won the Norris in 2019, Kipper won the Vezina in 2006, and Iggy won the Rocket Richard in 2004 and 2002, and the Art Ross and Ted Lindsay in 2002.

Many wouldn't consider the Coach of Year, Lady Byng, Jennings, Leadership, Selke, Masterton, Clancy, etc. to be major awards.
Rather, the Calder, Rocket Richard, Art Ross, Ted Lindsay, Norris, Hart, Conn Smythe, and Vezina are the major awards. This is admittedly arbitrary.

The Flames have 2 out of the 160 major awards in the past 20 years. The average team has about 5 in that time.
I believe the Blue Jackets only have 2 in that period. The Wild only have one. Dallas apparently doesn't have any. Same goes for the Islanders and Sabres.
Interestingly, none of these teams have won any cups in the past 20 years. Buffalo in 2007 is the only Presidents Trophy. These teams only have one finals appearance (Dallas).

You've cherry picked to avoid a lot of the awards the Flames have won in that time (Byng, Adams, Leadership, Jennings, Clancy). You include the Ross and Richard, which are counting awards but exclude the Jennings, which is also a counting award.


Using the awards you included, here are the per team award counts since the lockout:

• Washington - 19
• Edmonton - 17
• Pittsburgh - 17
• Tampa Bay - 12
• Chicago - 11
• Boston - 9
• Colorado - 7
• Detroit - 6
• Toronto - 6
• Vancouver - 6
• San Jose - 5
• Montreal - 4
• Rangers - 4
• Anaheim - 3
• Columbus - 3
• Los Angeles - 3
• New Jersey - 3
• Buffalo - 2
• Calgary - 2
• Carolina - 2
• Florida - 2
• Nashville - 2
• Ottawa - 2
• Vegas - 2
• Winnipeg - 2
• Dallas - 1
• Minnesota - 1
• Islanders - 1
• Seattle - 1
• St. Louis - 1
• Philadelphia - 0
• Arizona/Utah - 0

Keep in mind that a lot of the repeat winners are the same person winning a lot of awards. Washington's 19 awards are Holtby's one Vezina, and 18 various awards for Ovechkin. Edmonton and Pittsburgh each have 17, but they're all McDavid & Draisaitl and Crosby & Malkin. So, those skew the numbers a lot. Tampa has 6 different players and Chicago has 5.


The Flames are in the middle of the pack, which should be expected. They're a middle of the pack team. There are a lot of good teams without a lot of individual awards too.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by getbak

You've cherry picked to avoid a lot of the awards the Flames have won in that time (Byng, Adams, Leadership, Jennings, Clancy). You include the Ross and Richard, which are counting awards but exclude the Jennings, which is also a counting award.


Using the awards you included, here are the per team award counts since the lockout:

• Washington - 19
• Edmonton - 17
• Pittsburgh - 17
• Tampa Bay - 12
• Chicago - 11
• Boston - 9
• Colorado - 7
• Detroit - 6
• Toronto - 6
• Vancouver - 6
• San Jose - 5
• Montreal - 4
• Rangers - 4
• Anaheim - 3
• Columbus - 3
• Los Angeles - 3
• New Jersey - 3
• Buffalo - 2
• Calgary - 2
• Carolina - 2
• Florida - 2
• Nashville - 2
• Ottawa - 2
• Vegas - 2
• Winnipeg - 2
• Dallas - 1
• Minnesota - 1
• Islanders - 1
• Seattle - 1
• St. Louis - 1
• Philadelphia - 0
• Arizona/Utah - 0

Keep in mind that a lot of the repeat winners are the same person winning a lot of awards. Washington's 19 awards are Holtby's one Vezina, and 18 various awards for Ovechkin. Edmonton and Pittsburgh each have 17, but they're all McDavid & Draisaitl and Crosby & Malkin. So, those skew the numbers a lot. Tampa has 6 different players and Chicago has 5.


The Flames are in the middle of the pack, which should be expected. They're a middle of the pack team. There are a lot of good teams without a lot of individual awards too.

Just a minor quibble, tied for 8th fewest (6th fewest if you exclude recent expansion teams) isn't exactly middle of the pack. If you exclude the recent expansion teams (which have not been in the league enough years that they can be compared), the average number of those awards for each of the remaining 28 teams is 5.4.

[getbak]

There are only 17 teams ahead of them. That's pretty middle of the pack.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by getbak

There are only 17 teams ahead of them. That's pretty middle of the pack.

And only 5 (non-recent expansion) teams behind them.

Edit: let's look at it another way: the number of teams west of the Eastern Time Zone that have won more than an average number of those awards is 3. It's not an intentional bias, it's a bias due to laziness. Nobody east of Winnipeg wants to make the effort to follow potential award candidates that play in a time zone west of them.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Toronto media guys talk about how good Wolf has been, his case for the Calder and how even the Hart is not out of the question.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1900940248198119689

Cue the "Leafs are rumoured to be in on Dustin Wolf...."

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Just a minor quibble, tied for 8th fewest (6th fewest if you exclude recent expansion teams) isn't exactly middle of the pack. If you exclude the recent expansion teams (which have not been in the league enough years that they can be compared), the average number of those awards for each of the remaining 28 teams is 5.4.

The major awards are clustered in a handful of teams with superstars, which skews the average to the high end. Teams with superstars typically draft them with top 3 picks (which the Flames have not had)*. Take Ovechkin, Crosby, Hedman, etc. out of the totals, and almost every team has 1-3 major awards in that span.

As much as some fans love to indulge in a persecution complex, there’s no bias against the Flames.

* Since the 2005 lockout, 16 of the 19 Hart trophies have gone to players drafted #1-3 overall.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by getbak

You've cherry picked to avoid a lot of the awards the Flames have won in that time (Byng, Adams, Leadership, Jennings, Clancy). You include the Ross and Richard, which are counting awards but exclude the Jennings, which is also a counting award.


Using the awards you included, here are the per team award counts since the lockout:

• Washington - 19
• Edmonton - 17
• Pittsburgh - 17
• Tampa Bay - 12
• Chicago - 11
• Boston - 9
• Colorado - 7
• Detroit - 6
• Toronto - 6
• Vancouver - 6
• San Jose - 5
• Montreal - 4
• Rangers - 4
• Anaheim - 3
• Columbus - 3
• Los Angeles - 3
• New Jersey - 3
• Buffalo - 2
• Calgary - 2
• Carolina - 2
• Florida - 2
• Nashville - 2
• Ottawa - 2
• Vegas - 2
• Winnipeg - 2
• Dallas - 1
• Minnesota - 1
• Islanders - 1
• Seattle - 1
• St. Louis - 1
• Philadelphia - 0
• Arizona/Utah - 0

Keep in mind that a lot of the repeat winners are the same person winning a lot of awards. Washington's 19 awards are Holtby's one Vezina, and 18 various awards for Ovechkin. Edmonton and Pittsburgh each have 17, but they're all McDavid & Draisaitl and Crosby & Malkin. So, those skew the numbers a lot. Tampa has 6 different players and Chicago has 5.


The Flames are in the middle of the pack, which should be expected. They're a middle of the pack team. There are a lot of good teams without a lot of individual awards too.

Am I crazy or does 7 for Colorado seem criminally low?!

[Funkhouser]

After last night's game, Wolf's chances go down.
Not because he had a poor 2nd period (these things happen), but because it happened in Toronto.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

After last night's game, Wolf's chances go down.
Not because he had a poor 2nd period (these things happen), but because it happened in Toronto.

I was thinking the same thing watching the game.

[Canada 02]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1902407218030621147

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

https://twitter.com/user/status/1902407218030621147

Sign him to 100x100 if you must

[Groot]

It comes a lot from the space between his ears

Did he just call Wolf dumb?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Groot

Did he just call Wolf dumb?

Not everyone’s is empty

[Groot]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Not everyone’s is empty

Then there wouldn't be space, there would be matter...do you hear it a lot and think people are being complimentary? lol

[Saqe]

Are we talking about three dimensions of space here or four dimensions of space-time continuum? Because in three it definitely could be an insult.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Are we talking about three dimensions of space here or four dimensions of space-time continuum? Because in three it definitely could be an insult.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Has to backstop them to the playoffs to have a chance to beat out Hutson.