[Trade] Leafs acquire Brandon Carlo (15% retained) for Minten, 1st, 4th

[Ped]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The problem was letting that player leave for nothing. If he wasn't going to re-sign they should have moved him before his NMC kicked in. Basically the Gaudreau free agency over again, although at least with Gaudreau there was a least a chance he would re-sign. Marner was obviously leaving.

Yes, but again, Treliving was hired just one month before Marner's NMC kicked in, and he was reportedly told by Shanahan when hired, that he couldn't trade any of the core 4.


Marner should have been traded the previous season if they were going to make a big change.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The problem was letting that player leave for nothing. If he wasn't going to re-sign they should have moved him before his NMC kicked in. Basically the Gaudreau free agency over again, although at least with Gaudreau there was a least a chance he would re-sign. Marner was obviously leaving.

Brad had a month in the job before the trade protection was activated. That would be a gigantic swing, and I don't think he'd have the balls, even if he thought it was the right course of action.

[Locke]

His love of the Halfling's Leaf has dulled his mind...

[united]

March 7, 2025, was a legendary Treliving day. How can you not love this?

Trade 1
- Acquire Laughton, a 30-year-old forward who has 16 points in 68 games since.
- Acquire a 4th + 6th.

- Part with a 1st that will likely be in the 10-15 range of 2027 or unprotected in 2028.
- Part with Nikita Grebenkin, a 21-year-old forward and one of their top-five prospects who since has 10 points in 37 games since.

A gross decrease in draft capital and loss of a mid-high prospect for a slow aging forward. And the prospect has added about as much offensive value anyway.

Trade 2
- Acquire a 5th.

- Part with Connor Dewar, a 25-year-old forward who has 26 points in 68 games since.
- Part with Conor Timmins, a 26-year-old defenceman the Penguins flipped for a 2nd three months later.

Dewar has outperformed the Maple Leafs' big ticket purchase above and they gave him away for nearly nothing. Timmins was flipped for a pick three rounds better than the Maple Leafs got in return for him just months later. Hilarious.

Trade 3
- Acquire Brandon Carlo, a 28-year-old defenceman who the Maple Leafs just a year later are reportedly trying to jettison for a fraction of what they paid for him.

- Part with a 1st round pick that likely ends up in the 6-12 range this year. Also a 4th.
- Part with Fraser Minten, a 20-year-old forward and their second-best prospect who has 27 points in 60 games since.

Minten has outperformed Laughton. Carlo may end up as a cap dump. The pick could be top 10. Complete negligence.

[SuperMatt18]

That's a horrendous trade day...like we complained about the day where Sutter traded Phaneuf and Jokinen in a 24 hour period...and this is way worse than that was.

[1991 Canadian]

Raycroft for Tukka Rask
Kessel for draft picks that became Tyler Seguin and Dougie Hamilton
Carlo for Minten and what could be a decent 1st

The Leafs really ought to stop trading with Boston.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Itse

Florida lost Barkov and Tkachuk to injuries and still had a lesser drop.

Lots of other supporting player injuries throughout the year too. It's a minor miracle that they're still close to a playoff spot.

Toronto has just been badly mismanaged. As bad as the Carlo trade is, I think the trade of a 1st round pick for Scott Laughton of all people is worse. 8 goals and 2 assists for 10 points in 35 games. Averaging about 13.5 minutes a game.

At least Carlo plays 20 minutes a night.

[united]

James Mirtle teeing off in the Athletic yesterday. Bang-on and how much of this sounds familiar? Objectively one of the worst GMs of this era but what a great talker though.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/700...ush-treliving/

"Where they stand now is grim. Entering Tuesday’s almost must-win game against the red-hot Buffalo Sabres (Leafs lose in regulation), the Leafs are the 20th-best team in the NHL and on pace for 90 points with only a 25.9 percent chance of making the postseason (Now 19%). With 30 games remaining, they need to go 19-10-1 (now 19-9-1) to get to 96 points, which is the current cutoff for the second wild-card spot thanks to what’s happening in the Atlantic Division.

After hosting Buffalo on Tuesday, 19 of the Leafs’ remaining 29 games (66 percent) are on the road, including games against some daunting opponents like the Edmonton Oilers, Tampa Bay Lightning, Florida Panthers and Minnesota Wild."

They will turn the corner starting next game. Or the game after. Or the game after. Right?

"The Leafs front office has felt a bit paralyzed all year, seeming shell-shocked by how inept this team has looked after last season’s 108-point season. Other than making three waiver claims — Stecher, Cayden Primeau and Sammy Blais — all they’ve done is kick tires on unrealistic options for outside help without pulling the trigger on a deal.

None of their struggling players, like Philippe Myers and Simon Benoit, have been shipped out, even to the Marlies. No trades have been particularly close, either, even as the Feb. 4 Olympic roster freeze has upped the urgency for some of the teams around them. They’ve sat on their hands, hoping for a turnaround. It certainly appears that inaction has cost them."

In on everything but doing nothing. Unserious lowball offers for the flashy players available. Getting deals done is a process you know.

"It’s getting late really early for Toronto, to the point that another two or three losses in the next week should be enough to put up a “for sale” sign.

I honestly don’t know if general manager Brad Treliving will go that route while his team still has a shot at the playoffs. It’s fairly clear that his job is in jeopardy here, even with another year remaining on his contract. Ownership of the Leafs is about to be fully consolidated under the Rogers umbrella, and after the success of the Blue Jays last fall, the bar has been set sky-high for all the Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment’s franchises by new president Keith Pelley."

A team miles out still having a mathematical shot at the playoffs? Better make a desperation move that has little chance of success while mortgaging the future knowing it will be someone else's problem. Get him, Conroy!

"The biggest issue with going the sell-big route, however, is that it would be hard to have confidence in the current front office to execute it well, given all the pro scouting misses it has had over the past year. And, again, it’s also hard to imagine Treliving will be eager to embrace it all, given how tenuous his job appears."

Pro scouting failures again? That sounds familiar. Maybe, just maybe, it's not the scouts. But yeah, sure: blame them.

"Despite boasting an army of AGMs, the Leafs don’t have anyone in the front office who makes sense to step in and make decisions if Treliving isn’t ownership’s guy. And getting this next stage of the retool right is going to be critical if they want to have a bounce-back next season.

If they keep sitting on their hands, however, they may miss the playoffs, give up a top-10 pick to a division rival, lose their pending UFAs for nothing, hang onto their dead-weight contracts, recoup zero futures, get another year older and leave a giant mess for the next GM to clean up in a very short window in the offseason."

It's goddamn deja vu! You know what's next: Treliving moaning about how hard he had to work - despite having the largest stable of AGMs and largest hockey operations team in the league. And whatever other phony bull#### comes out.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Brad had a month in the job before the trade protection was activated. That would be a gigantic swing, and I don't think he'd have the balls, even if he thought it was the right course of action.

Agreed on Marner, that was pre-cooked before he got there. Seeing him repeat the same mistakes in his other moves is pretty funny tho

[Ped]

The Leafs trades were horrible, but to be fair, Dewar was terrible in Toronto, and I do believe the 2nd in the Timmins trade was to take on Connor Clifton, really.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by united

It's goddamn deja vu! You know what's next: Treliving moaning about how hard he had to work - despite having the largest stable of AGMs and largest hockey operations team in the league. And whatever other phony bull#### comes out.

Yeah we heard a lot of that here. And I noticed how often it was coming from the GM's mouth directly.

[D as in David]

I take delight in the Flames' ####-blocking the Leafs on Andersson, so Treliving would pick up Carlo instead.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah we heard a lot of that here. And I noticed how often it was coming from the GM's mouth directly.

He's in the business of busyness.

[Wastedyouth]

Treliving is what we call in the business, a bumble####.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

You can say only lost one player, but when that player is the best on the team and a top winger in the NHL, that is significant.

This is a team with Nylander, Tavares, Matthews, and Knies who would all instantly become the Flames top forward. It's not an elite NHL roster but it's still better than average especially their top two centers.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Ped

Yes, but again, Treliving was hired just one month before Marner's NMC kicked in, and he was reportedly told by Shanahan when hired, that he couldn't trade any of the core 4.


Marner should have been traded the previous season if they were going to make a big change.

Agreed - it was on Shanahan. The rumour at least is the Dubas was wanted to trade Marner but Shanahan didn't want to.

[Toonage]

Treliving's hands aren't entirely clean with Marner. He was the one who pretty much had him dealt to Carolina for Rantanen was he not and then asked him after the deal was agreed to if he'd waive.

He could have tried to salvage the relationship. Instead he just added to the fire.