[PGT] Calgary 3 Anaheim 2 (OT)

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I don't think he intended to knee him but no suspension is a joke. you're responsible for being in control of your body and not injuring others out there, it's not an excuse to destroy someone with a head shot and argue that they moved, or hit someone from behind and argue that they turned. Your job not to hit another player who is in a vulnerable position these days. It was a charge and reckless.

But because it's Zary and the Flames no uproar at all... imagine if it was McDavid.

Genuinely worried for Zary's career with how bad that looked.

The worst part is the Flames don't even have a fighter these days and are as soft as baby #### because that AHL plug deserves to get filled in

If it was Mc-#### you cousin Eddie who won the lottery the hockey world would be aghast. Same as if he got a hang nail.
Doesn’t make it a dirty hit. It was not a charge. reckless? Not to me but I have soft spot for D and think he played that fine. If a D takes a puck in the face is the shooter reckless? Only if he’s Kevin Lavallee. (Old school joke in there. I’m fine where reasonable people disagree)

For sure you have to feel for Zary. That looked awful.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I really didn't see a problem with the hit, when you commit to hit a player and they try to move around you, I'm not sure what you are supposed to do and Helleson didn't stick his knee out. I thought the 5 minute major was appropriate based on the injury result and am fine with nothing further.

That's where I'm at too.

He didn't stick out a knee in defense of getting beat, he just skated right through Zary regardless of Zary's move.

He kind of led with a leg though, not sure that's allowed.

It all happens so fast.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's where I'm at too.

He didn't stick out a knee in defense of getting beat, he just skated right through Zary regardless of Zary's move.

He kind of led with a leg though, not sure that's allowed.

It all happens so fast.

That's my issue with it, he led with the leg and stuck it out.
Maybe not to knee on knee but 9 times out of 10 that kind pursuit of the hit is going to lead to the other play trying to move to avoid it and that's the guy who ends up hurt.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's where I'm at too.

He didn't stick out a knee in defense of getting beat, he just skated right through Zary regardless of Zary's move.

He kind of led with a leg though, not sure that's allowed.

It all happens so fast.

I torn a bit because yesterday I thought more it was unfortunate and not dirty.

The more I watch it today, the more I feel like Helleson does lead with his knee, and kind of actually turns his leg a little bit.

[Wastedyouth]

I might be in the minority, but in my opinion Helleson knew what he was doing.

That was a bad hit. But apparently not suspension worthy.

[Ba'alzamon]

My read watching it live was that Helleson was going for a headshot and Zary sidestepped it--which resulted in the leg on leg contact.

[Enoch Root]

I am in the camp that there didn't seem to be any intent there, and that it wasn't dirty, so much as unfortunate.

However, with the way the NHL doles out suspensions, I think it definitely deserves further discipline - you're responsible for your actions, even if there was no malicious intent.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I really didn't see a problem with the hit, when you commit to hit a player and they try to move around you, I'm not sure what you are supposed to do and Helleson didn't stick his knee out. I thought the 5 minute major was appropriate based on the injury result and am fine with nothing further.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't think you get such clear knee-on-knee contact unless you're reckless and have basically missed the hit you were intending to make.

Reckless can still be dangerous regardless of intent.

Pospisil has been suspended for similarly reckless play to (arguably) send the message home. I think similar should be done here.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

At the very least, the guy deserves a fine for his reckless play. There has to be a consequence for severely injuring players at some level. Maybe like diving, multiple occurrences of reckless plays that are technically "legal", but injure players, can eventually lead to a suspension.

It would get rid of the shady stuff done by guys like Trouba for example, who technically evaded suspension worthy plays. It's gotta add up at some point.

[UKflames]

Missed the interview with Conroy in the first intermission, anything ground breaking or just McNeil stories?

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Missed the interview with Conroy in the first intermission, anything ground breaking or just McNeil stories?

Pretty much just McNeil stories.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Look. Firstly we have discussed many times that xGA has its usefulness and has its limitations

It’d be best for you to understand the numbers you are using

Anyhow, it ends up being a mild deviation from raw save percentage, and does not take in to account opposing team skill and defensive posture, shot placement, those things that matter in real life

-4.74?

The 5-0 Vegas drubbing and 8-3 Lightning win account for that
5 GA vs 2.84 xGA and 8 vs 5.05 xGA

Over -5 xGA contribution from those 2 games

When have the Flames laid an egg like that for Wolf?


Bingo has laid out the opposition stats and back to back situation

Wolf is good. We agree. The Flames are more than likely moving on from Vladar, Cooley is on a 1 way next year


But this notion that the Flames would be a playoff team if Wolf played the Vladar games? Laughable

What is Wolf going to do to win the 5-0 and 8-3 drubbing? Or even the 3-0 loss to Vegas where Vladar was great? Give your head a shake. Whatever goalie plays those games is 0-3

Even when Wolf lets in 4 against Chicago the Flames score 6

Sucks to be Vladar now.

It’d suck even harder to think that he and Wolf should have the same expected results from very different situations

One guy has been in the NHL for five years now, practiced against NHL shooters every day, and played in nearly 100 games. He’s 6 ft 5 and 27 years old.

The other guy has been in the NHL for five months, he’s half a foot shorter, and he’s had a hype train building for at least three years.

Vladar is a capable backup, but thus far, he has a ceiling. He is being used as a meat shield so they can allow Wolf to learn the league without the pressure of carrying the season.

Wolf will be in the conversation for #3G for the US Olympic team next year.

I evaluate them differently.

As of January 8, Wolf’s save percentage is 25 points better, and his GAA is over half a goal lower, in one more game.

Make of that what you will.

[Tsawwassen]

Postgame links
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...8-2d2efeddfb7d
https://www.espn.com/nhl/game/_/game...7/flames-ducks
https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap/_/gameId/401688247
https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/calgar...boxscore-42186
https://deadspin.com/jonathan-huberd...e-ducks-in-ot/

https://calgaryherald.com/sports/thr...ee-on-knee-hit
https://flamesnation.ca/news/flames-...ks-in-overtime
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/anahei...-to-the-flames
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/calgar...ory-over-ducks


Catch up time, sorry for the delay.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

As of January 8, Wolf’s save percentage is 25 points better, and his GAA is over half a goal lower, in one more game.

There's a large difference between the goalies in home/road splits. It would be interesting to compare the two goalies on home games only, and on road games only.