2024-25 Huberdeau - new and improved?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Here's your problem...need to forget about the contract

If only we all could.

He was one of the top scorers in the league from 2018-2022. He got paid accordingly. Since arriving in Calgary, he's been more of a $4-6 million/year guy. if he had a $5 million/year contract, we'd all be pretty happy with how he's played.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

If only we all could.

He was one of the top scorers in the league from 2018-2022. He got paid accordingly. Since arriving in Calgary, he's been more of a $4-6 million/year guy. if he had a $5 million/year contract, we'd all be pretty happy with how he's played.

Thing is, it makes absolutely no difference this year, or next year, for that matter.

[Goriders]

Sounds bad but one of his biggest additions to the organization is keeping us above the cap floor.

He obviously adds leadership as well. But minus his salary Conman might have some issues with the cap.

[Wastedyouth]

Forget about the salary of the highest played player in team history guys! That'll make it all feel better.

Nevermind that at 5v5 his expected goals per 60 is 3rd last for all forwards, beating out only Ryan Lomberg and Roonie (same with high danger shots attempts, the ones most likely to go in).
Nevermind that at 5v5 he has the most offensive zone starts of all forwards not named Sam Honzek.
Ignore that he has as many even strength points as Justin Kirkland even though Kirkland starts the majority of his shifts in the defensive zone and Huberdeau starts the majority of his in the offensive zone. (while riding a sky high 30% shooting percentage, sustainable I think!)
But hey, he is playing much better defensively so at least we have a 10.5 million dollar checking forward.
Lol!

[GullFoss]

That goal was all huby. Resurgence is back on the table.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

That goal was all huby. Resurgence is back on the table.

All Huby? He was set up in front of the net with a great pass.

[Andrew]

Body slam!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

All Huby? He was set up in front of the net with a great pass.

Yeah, more like he started and ended the play. He made a good entrance, and then a good first pass.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by blankall

If only we all could.

He was one of the top scorers in the league from 2018-2022. He got paid accordingly. Since arriving in Calgary, he's been more of a $4-6 million/year guy. if he had a $5 million/year contract, we'd all be pretty happy with how he's played.

A player who gets 1st line minutes and PP1 and gets 50 points is killing the team, as his usage requires quite a bit more production.

A player who gets 50 points playing 2nd line miners with occasional PP time is an asset worth $4-6M.

But if Huberdeau is moved off of PP1, his points will plummet.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

A player who gets 1st line minutes and PP1 and gets 50 points is killing the team, as his usage requires quite a bit more production.

A player who gets 50 points playing 2nd line miners with occasional PP time is an asset worth $4-6M.

But if Huberdeau is moved off of PP1, his points will plummet.

Oh no! He'll get less points than the pitiful few he's currently accumulating!?!?

Whatever shall we do??

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

A player who gets 1st line minutes and PP1 and gets 50 points is killing the team, as his usage requires quite a bit more production.

A player who gets 50 points playing 2nd line miners with occasional PP time is an asset worth $4-6M.

But if Huberdeau is moved off of PP1, his points will plummet.

Right now he’ getting 3rd line minutes and the PP units seem to be getting equal time - I see Backlund’s unit out there a lot especially to start.

[Strange Brew]

He’s leading all forwards in PP ice time and only Kuzmenko has a greater share of offensive zone starts. His share of total possible icetime is behind Backlund, Kadri and Sharangovich.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Right now he’ getting 3rd line minutes and the PP units seem to be getting equal time - I see Backlund’s unit out there a lot especially to start.

The top 3 lines often get equal ice time, more or less, the difference being attributable to PK and PP time.

No forward on Calgary gets more PP time than Huberdeau, and he gets as much offensive zone starts as any on Calgary.

Make no mistake, he is sucking up loads of premium offensive ice time, and contributing little with it. He is one of the greatest contributors to Calgary's offensive problems.

You start decreasing that premium time, you'll see his points decrease even more, and likely see more offense from Calgary.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The top 3 lines often get equal ice time, more or less, the difference being attributable to PK and PP time.

No forward on Calgary gets more PP time than Huberdeau, and he gets as much offensive zone starts as any on Calgary.

Make no mistake, he is sucking up loads of premium offensive ice time, and contributing little with it. He is one of the greatest contributors to Calgary's offensive problems.

You start decreasing that premium time, you'll see his points decrease even more, and likely see more offense from Calgary.

If the time is even (it’s not - his line gets the third most) then he’s not getting “top line” minutes. Lately Huberdeau has been getting a lot less PP - that may be the luck of what line was out previously and the second unit getting on.

But he’s not “one of the greatest contributors” to the offensive problems. He’s leading what paltry offence there is, including on the power play. No one else is doing any more than him - which is not a complement to him. However he and Zary could find something.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

But he’s not “one of the greatest contributors” to the offensive problems. He’s leading what paltry offence there is, including on the power play.

He's supposed to be one of the leaders of the offense and is failing miserably. The fact he's the best of the dirty lot is not relevant. The leader of this offense is a non-existent bar. He needs to do better or be replaced. He is certainly the main contributor to our failing offense.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He's supposed to be one of the leaders of the offense and is failing miserably. The fact he's the best of the dirty lot is not relevant. The leader of this offense is a non-existent bar. He needs to do better or be replaced. He is certainly the main contributor to our failing offense.

If you say so. Ignore everyone else missing shots and throwing pucks away. It's all on one guy on one line, who's had a revolving door at centre ice, mainly with guys who never played that position in the NHL.

Point is - it's a team game. Hubderdeau could be playing lights out and he still needs guys he passes to to score or guys who are passing the puck to get it to him if he's open. Does he blow plays? Sure, as they all do, but IMO he has far more plays blown by guys just not converting or getting open. Like I said, Zary has a high IQ so maybe that changes.

[iloveicedhockey]

He's not in anyway responsible for the offense of 3/4 lines and 1/2 PP units. He's obviously not been what we'd hoped but I don't know how one person can be the main contributor to a failing offense comprising 18 players.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Huberdeau is unquestionably terrible value. If the Flames were able to dump his contract today, they would do so without hesitation.



What I don't agree with is the claims that he isn't trying. I think he is giving it 100% effort out there in every zone. I also love the way he hasn't hid from the media, or made excuses, or sulked, or any of those things. Good on him for continuing to do his best, bringing positive energy to the team, and apparently being one of the good leaders out there.



I dislike his contract relative to the returns it brings the Flames, but I can't even start to dislike Huberdeau the human being in any way.

[BigThief]

We should start using him on the pk

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by BigThief

We should start using him on the pk

They were using him there at the beginning of the year. I don’t know why or when they went away from it - probably during their mini slump.