[PGT] Loss - 10/30/2024 - Utah defeats Calgary 5-1

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

We expect more from a player like that.

I fully accept the tank job, as I have been advocating for the rebuild the moment Johnny left. So I am cheering for losses.

But I want each individual player to play to the best of his ability. Kirkland isn't scoring 30, but watching Kirkland be the best Kirkland he can be is fun. Huberdeau is playing at like 35% of his ability and that is frustrating. I want to see the best Huberdeau he can be while watching the tank.

Voyons donc Monsieur! Huberdeau il est le Francais! He has given up already! He just wants a soft bed, a croissant and some wine!

[Locke]

Also, Huberdeau is going to essentially be useless by the time this team is in any way ready to compete.

I think his passing is highly over-rated and he doesnt have much to offer beyond that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I don't know. Maybe at least pretend to not enjoy losing? Kids and all are watching.

Everyone has their own personalities. I don't think watching Hubderdeau smash sticks and be upset will make any difference on how the young players view losing.

More important is habits, the commitment to the game on and off the ice. That is real leadership.

If Huberdeau gets in the locker room and pulls out a few cases of Original 16 and tosses around beers with the boys that could be an issue, but sulking and being mad, naw.

You usually don't make the NHL if you find losing acceptable. Well unless your Hyman than your parents just buy your way in.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I haven't seen the video but feels like people are looking for more reasons to criticize the guy. His play on ice is enough. If he had a moment with a fellow player - I don't really care. And I don't know why I care if kids are watching.

Interesting. So when a team is losing during rebuilding years, are you indifferent between a team atmosphere where veterans around younger players have a relaxed attitude toward losing (and laughing during a beating is being relaxed) vs when veterans show losing is undesirable and not acceptable?

[kyuss275]

Lol at posters putting blame on hubby. The whole team is playing like crap. If anything, sadly hubby has been one of the better forwards. IMO the only forward who has looked good so far most nights is Zary.

[Ped]

The Flames are bad and were expected to be bad. Does everyone expect the vets to be miserable and grumpy all season? That will make players want to be here for sure.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Interesting. So when a team is losing during rebuilding years, are you indifferent between a team atmosphere where veterans around younger players have a relaxed attitude toward losing (and laughing during a beating is being relaxed) vs when veterans show losing is undesirable and not acceptable?

Laughing with another player shows no indication of their attitude toward losing.

This is silly.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

When it comes to the forwards, if we are going to compete for playoffs (which the team wants)

25 goal paces out of Kuzmenko, Kadri and Sharangovich

20 goal paces from Mantha, Coleman, Huberdeau

15 from Zary, and a surprise or two that can add close to that.

Those are reasonable benchmarks for those specific players given their track records.

Most of those guys aren't close and need to start chipping in.

We were winning on backs of andersson and weegar. That's just not a sustainable model.

Now were not expecting this team to kick down the door like they were early on, but those numbers should also be feasible if those guys are working hard and bringing what we know they can.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Interesting. So when a team is losing during rebuilding years, are you indifferent between a team atmosphere where veterans around younger players have a relaxed attitude toward losing (and laughing during a beating is being relaxed) vs when veterans show losing is undesirable and not acceptable?

Biased question is biased.

I don't judge a player's contribution to team culture and atmosphere on the basis of a single moment in time from a single game.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Not much IMO because it already stinks

https://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attenda...h.php?tmi=5090

The all time low was 1990 at 15320, and only twice have they fallen below 16000

This year attendance is 17169

There are a lot more people in Calgary then 1990, so that should offset attendance drops somewhat from the all time lows. Also certain teams will always be big draws (The dome will just become a visiting teams arena even more on those nights)

So maybe you see another 1000 fans per game drop, but the reality is the casual fan attendance has been trending down for 3 straight years/since COVID

I am guessing we average 16750 for the year

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

I question this data.

(I mean you're just reporting what you see of course, so not on you specifically).

The year after you win the Stanley Cup isn't a struggle for attendance.

In the late 90's you could turn in a coupon from a case of Coke and get a $5 ticket it was so dead. That didn't recover till 2004.

Anyway - doesn't feel accurate.

1990/91 was actually the Flames highest attendance average in team history at 19986. I suspect he mistyped and meant 99/2000.

[UKflames]

Hubby's contract is helping us make the cap floor, don't worry about it.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Hubby's contract is helping us make the cap floor, don't worry about it.

As it would if we ate half of it and sent him to Montreal (because Quebec).

There's other guys who given his minutes might get the same 50 pts as Huby, and their trajectory is upward in stark contrast to him.

I realize his play style is what got him to the NHL, but lots of players before him adjusted their style as their careers progressed in order to contribute and stay relevant. With his tools if he just simplified things and stopped the fancy passes he'd really help this team. Be direct, go to the net, make simple plays and finish checks. It's not rocket science. Most of us here could figure it out if we were blessed with his talents.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Lol at posters putting blame on hubby. The whole team is playing like crap. If anything, sadly hubby has been one of the better forwards. IMO the only forward who has looked good so far most nights is Zary.

Its a low bar but Huberdeau is one of the top forwards by statistics and fancy stats at both ends. Its not even a debate.

As for the laughing its hard to say without context...he is probably being chirped there, laughing is a pretty normal response to a chirp...beats crying or freaking out so they know they got to you.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

As it would if we ate half of it and sent him to Montreal (because Quebec).

There's other guys who given his minutes might get the same 50 pts as Huby, and their trajectory is upward in stark contrast to him.

I realize his play style is what got him to the NHL, but lots of players before him adjusted their style as their careers progressed in order to contribute and stay relevant. With his tools if he just simplified things and stopped the fancy passes he'd really help this team. Be direct, go to the net, make simple plays and finish checks. It's not rocket science. Most of us here could figure it out if we were blessed with his talents.

I honestly think most of the time this is what he's doing.

He still tries the odd fancy play every once in a while, but 90% of his shifts he's playing the safest and most boring hockey possible while taking very few risks.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by jayswin

1990/91 was actually the Flames highest attendance average in team history at 19986. I suspect he mistyped and meant 99/2000.

Correct 99/00 was the low point . I think
I typed in the middle and wrote 90 haha

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Thing with Huberdeau is he's again playing very low event and safe hockey.

Among forwards he has the lowest xGA/60 on the team (2.1 xGA per 60), the 2nd lowest xGF/60, the 2nd lowest corsi against per 60, the 2nd lowest corsi for per 60, the lowest High Danger Corsi Against, and the 2nd lowest High Danger Corsi For per 60.

It's not like he's a liability on the ice right now, his defensive effort has actually been strong, he's just unable to generate anything offensively.

And he takes very little risks to generate offensively. If you watch him closely you really start to notice it.

- He's often the high forward in the offensive zone
- He's often the last forward in the defensive zone (very rarely is he cheating on the breakout)
- He's generally the first forward back on the back check
- If a d-man pinches he's the one often covering the point

He has been playing very, very safe hockey for the better part of two and a half seasons in Calgary now, and it's hard to generate offense if you don't take a risk every once in a while.

He also takes the least risks on shift length.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its a low bar but Huberdeau is one of the top forwards by statistics and fancy stats at both ends. Its not even a debate.

As for the laughing its hard to say without context...he is probably being chirped there, laughing is a pretty normal response to a chirp...beats crying or freaking out so they know they got to you.

Did you ever see Jarome Iginla laughing on the bench when the Flames were losing? Laughing when you’re losing is a piss poor attitude

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I honestly think most of the time this is what he's doing.

He still tries the odd fancy play every once in a while, but 90% of his shifts he's playing the safest and most boring hockey possible while taking very few risks.

It’s weird how many posters comment on a made up version of what a player is and not what’s actually happening on the ice. It’s often combined with assertions that the guy is pouting or not trying, which is by no means evident.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sch19lks

Did you ever see Jarome Iginla laughing on the bench when the Flames were losing? Laughing when you’re losing is a piss poor attitude

If I showed you a clip of this (or say Mackinnon or Crosby) would you change your mind? In the middle of a loss in an 82 game season sometimes something funny will happen and yeah, guys will laugh. This is their every day job. They have to have every day emotions.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If I showed you a clip of this (or say Mackinnon or Crosby) would you change your mind? In the middle of a loss in an 82 game season sometimes something funny will happen and yeah, guys will laugh. This is their every day job. They have to have every day emotions.

Some guys play hard and the switch is always turned on. That’s what makes them elite competitors