Oilers trade Ryan McLeod and Ty Tullio to Buffalo for Matt Savoie

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

How exactly are we going to judge that? McLeod doesn't exactly tip a scale any which way, he's just there. Anything short of a cup win and it's because they traded McLeod?

I think he was a big part of their PK and I think their PK was one of the biggest reasons they went to the final. Their PK allowed zero goals against the Stars and was a PLUS against the Panthers...a PLUS two for and ones against.

And yeah cup or bust haven't you heard? Anything short of a cup is a disaster for the Oilers considering what they have coming up

[NegativeSpace]

I mean they had to drop cap space and this seems like a good way to do it. However, I think it’s crazy to mess with that penalty kill. The Oilers management does tend to over emphasize goals for over goals against but they all count. We will see if McLeod was part of that penalty kill or the systems can take different players to plug some one else is there.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think he was a big part of their PK and I think their PK was one of the biggest reasons they went to the final. Their PK allowed zero goals against the Stars and was a PLUS against the Panthers...a PLUS two for and ones against.

And yeah cup or bust haven't you heard? Anything short of a cup is a disaster for the Oilers considering what they have coming up

4 to 3 the entire playoffs. I had a post on how all the bugs guns slowed down and Leon Hyman and nuge weren’t good at all pats game 2 against canucks. Mcdavid and Bouchard did well but padded stats 1st 7 games too. PP slowed right down but their pk was off the charts good’ Foegele was unreal on pk and Mcelod was good. But McLeod might be their best pk forwards last 2 seasons.

[GranteedEV]

I don't know Savoie as well as the Sabres do, but the vibe I get is they essentially traded Hunter Shinkaruk for Curtis Lazar

[shadowlord]

I don't know anything about Savoie, but I know that Edmonton has a history of being absolutely terrible at developing their draft picks unless they're first overall. And those that do manage to stick in the NHL are gifted an immediate (what used to be a) $6 million AAV contract.

So I'm not worried about Savoie being an impact, because this is Edmonton we're talking about. Sorry kid, you'll always be second fiddle to McDavid and Draisaitl, because they get all the minutes.

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think he was a big part of their PK and I think their PK was one of the biggest reasons they went to the final. Their PK allowed zero goals against the Stars and was a PLUS against the Panthers...a PLUS two for and ones against.

And yeah cup or bust haven't you heard? Anything short of a cup is a disaster for the Oilers considering what they have coming up

This is how I’m feeling about this trade as well. The Oilers having an unprecedented, historically good PK was probably the biggest reason for them getting to the finals. And if they want to get back there again next year, they’re going to need that PK to be of a similar efficacy. And while they’ve annoyingly added some good players this offseason, they’ve also lost a good number of players who made that PK hum.

It’s like they finally got hit in the face with the reality that defence wins championships and then went “welp, guess we need to bolster our offence some more!”

As for Savoie: annoying that they got a top 10 pick from a couple years ago for seemingly so little but on the other hand, highly unlikely he helps them this year enough to make them a stronger cup contender. If he makes the show, it’ll be in a top 6 role and they don’t need help there.

[memphusk]

Hahahah. Mcleod is what he is. Church him up all you want but he's a replacement level player, especially in a 32 team league.

[Funkhouser]

Savoie is where Baertchi was while he was in JR.
Undersized, high scoring, high draft pick

Baertchi didn't turn out to be a difference maker, but I would have been very upset if we had traded him for McLeod. I am surprised if the Sabres couldn't get more for Savoie and think this may be the last season for Adams as their GM, as they are not making the playoffs (again).

[memphusk]

Savoie and Pelletier are the same player right now.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Savoie and Pelletier are the same player right now.

Pelletier was a later first rounder, projected to be a middle six player, who has had 37 games in the NHL to show what he is.

Savoie was a 9th overall pick, projected to be a top six player, who has played 3 minutes in the NHL to show what he is.

It is way to early to give up on either player, but they are not comparable IMO.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Savoie and Pelletier are the same player right now.

just change your avatar already lol

[agulati]

For those who are talking about 2 points per game last year, Byron Ritchie had 126 points in 63 games in his D+2 year.

[Geeoff]

Hopefully, this deal turns out like Markus Granlund for Hunter Shinkaruk.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Pelletier was a later first rounder, projected to be a middle six player, who has had 37 games in the NHL to show what he is.

Savoie was a 9th overall pick, projected to be a top six player, who has played 3 minutes in the NHL to show what he is.

It is way to early to give up on either player, but they are not comparable IMO.

Savoie is 24 months removed from being drafted.

Pelletier is 60 months removed from being drafted. That is the other difference and could be a reason for the difference in amount of time spent in the NHL.

[EDMONTONisNG]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think he was a big part of their PK and I think their PK was one of the biggest reasons they went to the final. Their PK allowed zero goals against the Stars and was a PLUS against the Panthers...a PLUS two for and ones against.

And yeah cup or bust haven't you heard? Anything short of a cup is a disaster for the Oilers considering what they have coming up

Think it was mostly janmark and brown on the PK both of which were resigned. McLeod was and is an invisible floater.

[Braden]

He's a guy I would of loved to acquire. Small or not, centre or not, I get it being worth the shot to bring in high skill to play with McDavid.

Here's to hoping he never amounts to nothing.

Wonder how accurate the size stats of these 2 guys are, McLeod is 6" taller yet only 9lbs heavier? According to hockey db anyways

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by dino7c

just change your avatar already lol

It took me 10 years to change it to this, so its going to be a while.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by EDMONTONisNG

Think it was mostly janmark and brown on the PK both of which were resigned. McLeod was and is an invisible floater.

In the playoffs, Foegele was just as valuable as Brown and Janmark.

McLeod was good too, but he was poissbly the best PK forward for the Oilers than last 2 years.

If Savoie does not play this year and does not get traded this year for help at the deadline, McLeod and Feogele out for Skinner and Arvidsson looks good on paper, but they are adding 2 guys that typically play 1st/2nd line and on the PP for 2 important PK forwards. Who is coming off the Oilers PP? Are the finally going to have a 2nd unit? Maybe they leave Bouchard, Leon and McDavid out for 2 mins and switch up Nuge and Hyman for Skinner and Arviddson?

Nuge also is in the PK, maybe he plays more on the PK? But his PK numbers aren't that good and are Skinner and Arvidsson better than Nuge on the PP?

Kane also will be out for the year and I don't see him being effective at all missing the entire year come playoffs.

Oilers are still a top 8 contender and have the advantage of a weak division, but they are no better next year than they were this year.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I don't mind this deal for Buffalo. They needed a guy in the middle with size and some idea how to play defense. McLeod plays on both sides of the puck and brings the right skillset they are looking for. He's also the right age for the group they are building around. McLeod will contribute immediately and not be a concern for the team about how he develops. Savoie, while a very skilled player, is a smallish player and will need to find the right team to play for. Edmonton can take the gamble as they are going to be hurting for talent in the near future, especially if McJesus and Drysaddle blow town.

[cannon7]

The Matthew Phillips comparisons are apt here, IMO. Remains to be seen if Savoies game can translate to the NHL. Maybe if the Oilers just put him strictly on the PP?