[Signing] Monahan signs with CBJ (5 yrs, $5.5 mil AAV)

[Geeoff]

We'll always have purple gatorade!!

[CroFlames]

My favorite Flame after Jarome left.

Still my favorite player in the NHL.

Dumping him with a first was a mistake then, and its a mistake now.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

My favorite Flame after Jarome left.

Still my favorite player in the NHL.

Dumping him with a first was a mistake then, and its a mistake now.

See...I think there are two edges on this sword.

On one side, it looked fairly clear that his days were numbered and it wasn't a high number. He looked genuinely done and there was an opportunity to land Kadri but we needed space.

Okay, thats a calculated decision made with information likely unavailable to us average schlubs at the time.

On the other side however...paying a 1st to get rid of him? Thats where we wade into 'Genuine Dumb-###tery' territory.

Then you get into 'Revisionist History.' I think the prevailing theory was that Monahan was done and Kadri was available NOW, so something had to be done.

Paying to dump an injured player has been done before (looking at you Arizona!) but, usually, thats when you KNOW, conclusively, that player is 100% completely done. Its a paper transaction.

Treliving panicked. He shoved in all of his chips in a desperate bid to....I dont really know what he thought he was going to accomplish, probably try and save his job?

One of the things, and I'll say I 'know' it, because I'm no insider by any stretch of the imagination but I know a few people here and there, but Treliving didnt 'leave the Flames' they did not want him back under any circumstances and his 'Monahan Strategy' was one amongst many straws that broke that particular camel's back.

So Treliving panicked, made a hasty (and bad) decision and it kills me seeing Monahan in another team's jersey. I soothe my soul by seeing Treliving sitting in another team's GM chair and seeing Monahan happy and healthy.

Some players...as long as they don't go to Edmonton, I'll cheer for them anyways.

[CalgaryFan1988]

The idea of replacing a health questionable Monahan for Kadri was smart, the price was idiotic. Still my favourite Flame post-Iginla as well.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Locke

See...I think there are two edges on this sword.

On one side, it looked fairly clear that his days were numbered and it wasn't a high number. He looked genuinely done and there was an opportunity to land Kadri but we needed space.

Okay, thats a calculated decision made with information likely unavailable to us average schlubs at the time.

On the other side however...paying a 1st to get rid of him? Thats where we wade into 'Genuine Dumb-###tery' territory.

Then you get into 'Revisionist History.' I think the prevailing theory was that Monahan was done and Kadri was available NOW, so something had to be done.

Paying to dump an injured player has been done before (looking at you Arizona!) but, usually, thats when you KNOW, conclusively, that player is 100% completely done. Its a paper transaction.

Treliving panicked. He shoved in all of his chips in a desperate bid to....I dont really know what he thought he was going to accomplish, probably try and save his job?

One of the things, and I'll say I 'know' it, because I'm no insider by any stretch of the imagination but I know a few people here and there, but Treliving didnt 'leave the Flames' they did not want him back under any circumstances and his 'Monahan Strategy' was one amongst many straws that broke that particular camel's back.

So Treliving panicked, made a hasty (and bad) decision and it kills me seeing Monahan in another team's jersey. I soothe my soul by seeing Treliving sitting in another team's GM chair and seeing Monahan happy and healthy.

Some players...as long as they don't go to Edmonton, I'll cheer for them anyways.

Johnny leaving was the start of the rebuild. The problem is that Flames management didn't know that yet.

Once Johnny left, clearing space to try to get Kadri here was silly. They shoulda just hung onto Monahan and let him ride out his career through the rebuild and maybe flip him if he got good again.

Trading Tkachuk for Huberdeau was silly too and they should have moved him for picks/prospects.

What's done is done, but yeah. It was a mistake.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Johnny leaving was the start of the rebuild. The problem is that Flames management didn't know that yet.

Once Johnny left, clearing space to try to get Kadri here was silly. They shoulda just hung onto Monahan and let him ride out his career through the rebuild and maybe flip him if he got good again.

Trading Tkachuk for Huberdeau was silly too and they should have moved him for picks/prospects.

What's done is done, but yeah. It was a mistake.

The Tkachuk trade wasnt bad. It was signing Huberdeau that made no sense. they should have flipped him for another pick right away.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Johnny leaving was the start of the rebuild. The problem is that Flames management didn't know that yet.

Once Johnny left, clearing space to try to get Kadri here was silly. They shoulda just hung onto Monahan and let him ride out his career through the rebuild and maybe flip him if he got good again.

Trading Tkachuk for Huberdeau was silly too and they should have moved him for picks/prospects.

What's done is done, but yeah. It was a mistake.

Yeah. They did. Thats what I mean.

Johnny leaving should have been the start of the rebuild and everyone knew it. But Treliving chose to gamble instead.

Thats what should have happened but Treliving stomped his feet and pounded his fists like a toddler throwing a tantrum.

"Oh yeah? Well...I'll just go and get my OWN winger then!!"

And now we have the Failing Frenchman.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I realize that we all want to believe it's all Tree's fault, but do you really think when Johnny didn't sign, Murray Edwards said "aw shucks, I guess we re-build now".

[Caged Great]

Honestly, a first for Kadri, which was the reason why Monahan was dealt, isn't a problem in my mind. It is a recoverable asset down the road. The Flames needed a sure fire top 6 center and couldn't rely on Monahan at the time.

The Flames currently are better off for having Kadri in the fold that a 50/50 that Monahan could remain an NHL player which is basically what he was at the time.

And realistically the Flames can recover a late first if they want to deal Kadri. So the cost will be moving down maybe 8-10 spots in likely a better draft when the time comes so I'm not overly concerned.

[devo22]

I still think the Tkachuk trade made sense at the time. We all thought they'd trade him for a futures package, but I don't think many of thought getting back Huberdeau and Weegar was a realistic option. I don't hold a grudge towards Tre for that trade and re-signing both guys ahead of the season (given that Johnny had just walked). Now, the decision to burn a 1st to get out of the Monahan contract and sign Kadri? That's the move that will forever piss me off. It did at the time, and if anything, that string of moves has looked worse and worse as time went on.

Also, respectfully: Tre can step on a piece of Lego for creating that confusing web of conditions that take an hour to untangle.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

And realistically the Flames can recover a late first if they want to deal Kadri. So the cost will be moving down maybe 8-10 spots in likely a better draft when the time comes so I'm not overly concerned.

Only idiot dumb enough to give a first for Kadri is Tre, and he's not doing it again.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I realize that we all want to believe it's all Tree's fault, but do you really think when Johnny didn't sign, Murray Edwards said "aw shucks, I guess we re-build now".

No.

I'd wager that Murray Edwards didn't care either way whatsoever.

Deciding when to rebuild or go for it is the GM's job.

[BigThief]

Dunno about you guys, but I'm here to celebrate our boy Sean, not to rehash Treliving's garbage again

[SebC]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Tkachuk trade wasnt bad. It was signing Huberdeau that made no sense. they should have flipped him for another pick right away.

A signed Huberdeau is supposed to have way more value than an unsigned one, even in a flip.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by SebC

A signed Huberdeau is supposed to have way more value than an unsigned one, even in a flip.

the day Gaudreau and Tkachuk were no longer Flames, was the day the Flames rebuild should have begun. Huberdeau with a year left on his deal could have hypothetically brought in pieces that we'd already be excited about today.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

the day Gaudreau and Tkachuk were no longer Flames, was the day the Flames rebuild should have begun. Huberdeau with a year left on his deal could have hypothetically brought in pieces that we'd already be excited about today.

Sometimes life takes the long way around.


Maybe Wolf wouldn’t have developed the way he has had that happened
What if we traded Zary instead of a first?.

I’ll wait to see the full story before I judge.

#### happens, hindsight is what it is

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah. They did. Thats what I mean.

Johnny leaving should have been the start of the rebuild and everyone knew it. But Treliving chose to gamble instead.

Thats what should have happened but Treliving stomped his feet and pounded his fists like a toddler throwing a tantrum.

"Oh yeah? Well...I'll just go and get my OWN winger then!!"

And now we have the Failing Frenchman.

Why would a GM on an expiring deal with one foot out the door want to start a rebuild that he had no intention of seeing through. Rebuilding types of moves usually take a lot of time to pan out, which wouldn't help him at the end of the season when he was moving on.

As for Monahan, I feel like this is a case of hindsight being 20/20. There was some serious concern at the time that he may never be a reliable contributor again because of his injury problems. It's a good point that if they decided to rebuild at the time it wouldn't have mattered and Treliving could have taken his chances, but since that wasn't in the cards, it was a reasonable decision to pay to dump the contract and sign Kadri. As for whose decision it was to avoid a rebuild, we could debate that forever. I tend to think Treliving had a big part in that, but maybe it was Edwards as well.

Almost nobody at the time expected Monahan would rebound the way he has. The fact that he played 83 games last season after all the injury problems he had with the Flames, has to be the hockey god just kicking us while we were down.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

the day Gaudreau and Tkachuk were no longer Flames, was the day the Flames rebuild should have begun. Huberdeau with a year left on his deal could have hypothetically brought in pieces that we'd already be excited about today.

But Huberdeau with 8 years left theoretically gets you even more. Would've been quite something to follow the first sign-and-trade in the NHL with the second!

[Freddy]

Moneyhands is point per game with 7 goals 12 assists and +6 in 19 games played. The stat line was given a nice bump by a 4 point +3 in the Blue Jackets last game Nov. 21 vs Tampa.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Locke

No.

I'd wager that Murray Edwards didn't care either way whatsoever.

Deciding when to rebuild or go for it is the GM's job.

Sorry, but it’s not. Very few NHL owners today are hands-off. GMs get their marching orders on the strategic direction of the franchise from owners. The management teams (including the AGMs, director of hockey operations, president, etc) all have their say and provide expertise. But no GM has the authority to take an NHL franchise in a direction where they’ll likely miss the playoffs for five seasons. They need the owner to sign off.