Tensions in the Middle East

[BagoPucks]

There are no winners in all of this. How can we get both sides to focus on coexisting ?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by BagoPucks

There are no winners in all of this. How can we get both sides to focus on coexisting ?

I've been thinking about this for 3 years now. My idea is that people who rule countries have strong lust for power. Which is how they got there in the first place. As such, they need to outplay, dominate, subdue other leaders. There's no rational reason for Israelis and Iranians to kill each other. They live a thousand kilometers away.

Netanyahu and Ayatollah though? They both have spent their lives climbing up, outplaying, competing, dominating. They are trying to "win" because they are naturally very competitive and ambitious. It's their nature. It's a game for them.

[TherapyforGlencross]

Heavy missile barrage across Haifa and Tel Aviv currently. IDF will be announcing significant news surrounding the latest barrage.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Nobody's committing genocide in Gaza. Killing 2% of population (50K out of 2 mils) in 1.5 years is not genocide. For comparison, during the Holocaust 2/3 of Jews (6 mils out of 9) were murdered in 4 years.

You do realize that that Gaza number is updating everyday, right? Also genocide isn't a numbers thing, you need to stop with that Zionist talking point.

genocide, the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race.

[undercoverbrother]

oh good Pointman is posting in here now............

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by BigThief

You do realize that that Gaza number is updating everyday, right? Also genocide isn't a numbers thing, you need to stop with that Zionist talking point.

I guess he's saying that at this rate, it will take 37.5 years to complete a genocide. That's playing the really long game. But if anyone can do it, it's one of the middle east nations. They all have boatloads of gumption.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Nobody's committing genocide in Gaza. Killing 2% of population (50K out of 2 mils) in 1.5 years is not genocide. For comparison, during the Holocaust 2/3 of Jews (6 mils out of 9) were murdered in 4 years.

Genocide is actually a measure of your kills per year ratio?

Man I'm learning new things everyday!

[starseed]

You could cut the tension with a knife!


Russian media is reporting that Khamanei and other Iranian leadership figures are planning to flee to Russia.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Genocide is actually a measure of your kills per year ratio?

Man I'm learning new things everyday!

And it's only genocide if it's the worst. If you're not first in body count you're last Bay Bay

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Nobody's committing genocide in Gaza. Killing 2% of population (50K out of 2 mils) in 1.5 years is not genocide. For comparison, during the Holocaust 2/3 of Jews (6 mils out of 9) were murdered in 4 years.

Dictionary definition:

Genocide

noun

noun:genocide; plural noun: genocides

the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

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Not saying it is or isnt Genocide, but 50k sounds like 'a large number of people' to me.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by BigThief

You do realize that that Gaza number is updating everyday, right? Also genocide isn't a numbers thing, you need to stop with that Zionist talking point.

genocide, the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race

So... Gazans are Arabs ethnically. There are 2 millions Arabs living in Israel and nobody's killing them. So it's not about ethnicity. Therefore it's not about race either. Most of those Israeli Arabs are Muslim. So it is not about religion. So, it is not genocide.. It's a war. Release the hostages and it will stop.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by starseed

You could cut the tension with a knife!


Russian media is reporting that Khamanei and other Iranian leadership figures are planning to flee to Russia.

So do Iranian media:

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202506153055

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Genocide is actually a measure of your kills per year ratio?

Man I'm learning new things everyday!

Point being, if Israel's goal is to wipe out Gazans - like Nazis plan was to wipe out Jews - it would take over 60 years at current pace. In facr, 69 if you go by 55K dead in 608 days and pre war population of 2.3M. And I am going by Hamas figures without even questioning them.

Which means that this is not the goal.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Point being, if Israel's goal is to wipe out Gazans - like Nazis plan was to wipe out Jews - it would take over 50 years at current pace. Which means that this is not the goal.

I've been keeping out of this but wow, the mental gymnastics...

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Kaine

I've been keeping out of this but wow, the mental gymnastics...

It's pretty basic logic and common sense. If Israel's goal is to exterminate Gazans, they are unbelievably slow at doing that. They are either not capable of doing it any faster or their goal is different.

And Gazans can stop it by releasing hostages. Every time their government agrees to release hostages, the genocide magically stops. Almost as if their ethnicity, race or religion suddenly changes..

[KelVarnsen]

Jfc

[Looch City]

What about the possibility that this Israel regime doesn't give a flying #### about the hostages are just using them as an excuse to remove all Gazans once and for all?

[Delthefunky]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Dictionary definition:

Genocide

noun

noun:genocide; plural noun: genocides

the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

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Not saying it is or isnt Genocide, but 50k sounds like 'a large number of people' to me.

It's the "deliberate" part. On Oct 7, Hamas very deliberately and brutally murdered 1200 jews and the motive isn't in question, to destroy that nation or Group. That's a genocide.

The day Iran builds a nuclear weapon is the day they drop it on Israel, so I understand why they are trying to stop that from happening.

[activeStick]

Reports that the US vetoed a plan by Israel to take out the supreme leader of Iran

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Delthefunky

It's the "deliberate" part. On Oct 7, Hamas very deliberately and brutally murdered 1200 jews and the motive isn't in question, to destroy that nation or Group. That's a genocide.

The day Iran builds a nuclear weapon is the day they drop it on Israel, so I understand why they are trying to stop that from happening.

Dude, read what I was replying to. I didnt say whether what happenned was genocide or not, just that 50k would be enough for genocide as per the definition of it.