[Signing] Willian Nylander extension (8 Years, $11.5M AAV)

[Paulie Walnuts]

The best part about McDavid is you know the agents and PA are going to push for him to set a new standard.

A player like that is not going to take a discount deal to stay in Edmonton. I would say he is going to push to be in the 20's. A lot of agents and stuff whine about how the salaries in the NHL don't match the NBA and NFL. You can't have McDavid taking a discount.

[Erick Estrada]

$20 million may be a stretch but $15-16 million is probably a fair range for McDavid. Draisaitl should eclipse the $14 million mark.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by getbak

CapFriendly is showing the Leafs with 12 roster players signed for next season with $21 million in cap space.

If you take about $5 million for 6 players making near league minimum, that leaves them $16 million to sign 4 players. If they spend about $6 million on 2 goalies, that leaves $10 million to spend on a couple of d-men. That's workable, especially if they can get a couple players to take discounts to fulfill their dreams of playing for the Leafs.

With the cap going up 5% per year for the foreseeable future, these big deals eat up a lower percentage of the cap as time goes on too.

nobody is arguing they can't ice a team...but will it be better than the current not good enough team? I don't think so

What high end D or goaltending is going their as a UFA at a bargain rate? Who will even be on the market.


Its the old pay more for the same thing or less argument

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You still have to ice a team...and those LTIR's won't get them back cap space lol...they are OVER the cap and using those to get under now

even if it was...33M for 11 players with 1 quality D man and no goaltender

GL with that

What D core are you building though free agency?

The expiring LTIR deals do help them make moves in the off season as you can only exceed the cap by 10% and guys aren’t on LtIR until the season.

I don’t know how they make it work, nor do I particularly care - what I do know is, it’s easier to fill out a blue line than it is to find Matthews, Marner and Nylander.

And more than a blue line, they need a legitimate elite goalie. It isn’t an accident that the last time they had playoff success, their goalie was Curtis Joseph.

Two trips to the conference finals and six playoff rounds won in four years - you need a goalie who can stand up to the level of attention that comes with being the goalie of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

$20 million may be a stretch but $15-16 million is probably a fair range for McDavid. Draisaitl should eclipse the $14 million mark.

The CBA ends during his contract year I believe. If the cap jumps to $100 million $20 million is 10% of the cap.

If the owners go after term limits again I could see him ask for like a 25 a year deal.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The CBA ends during his contract year I believe. If the cap jumps to $100 million $20 million is 10% of the cap.

If the owners go after term limits again I could see him ask for like a 25 a year deal.

I'm skeptical of the cap jumping to $100 million in two years. Long term the NHL has to depend on more than expansion to grow revenue and I don't see them knocking it out of the park on their next Canadian TV deal.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm skeptical of the cap jumping to $100 million in two years. Long term the NHL has to depend on more than expansion to grow revenue and I don't see them knocking it out of the park on their next Canadian TV deal.

totally, there has to be some concern if the Jets will even survive

1st place team and terrible attendance, what happens with a poor year?

apathy in other markets

Leafs and Oilers have top stars, for now

They will either lose them or pay more for guys that will no longer be the faces of the league in 5 to 10 years

[getbak]

The cap won't be high enough for McDavid to break the $20 million mark (maximum 20% of the cap and the cap won't be over $100 million when his contract expires).

Assuming he signs during the final year of his contract, the cap will be about $92 million, making the maximum a little over $18 million. I'd expect him to come in somewhere between 16 and 18.

[dino7c]

they will rumor 18M and then he will give the Oilers a break at 16.5

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

$20 million may be a stretch but $15-16 million is probably a fair range for McDavid. Draisaitl should eclipse the $14 million mark.

I think it’ll be whatever the 20% max cap allowed is. He knows he produces the best out of anyone, best believe he will be asking for 18m (assuming the cap is 90m by then).

Good on Nylander for cashing in.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

they will rumor 18M and then he will give the Oilers a break at 16.5

Draisaitl will be gone so the Oilers will have the cap space to give him $18m but as extremely weird of a guy McDavid is, I just can't see why he would want to remain with that organization for the rest of his career no matter how many kickbacks they offer him. Plus Draisaitl will probably be in his ear telling him how great his new team/city is compared to playing for the Oilers and living in Edmonton.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

His 1.11 PPG over the last 3 seasons ranks 18th in the NHL but it's below the other major wingers that would be his comparables and he makes more than all of them, even if you only look at contracts signed over the past 2 years.

Pastrnak: 1.28 PPG - $11.25M
Rantanen: 1.25 PPG - ??? (Making $9.25 now)
Tkachuk: 1.24 PPG - $9.5M
Kaprizov: 1.19 PPG - ??? (Making $9.0 now)
Robertson: 1.17 PPG - $7.75M (Bridge)
Forsberg: 1.08 PPG - $8.5M (Might actually be his best comparable IMO)

I'll include these two as well because even though they've struggled they were the most recent prominent wingers to sign UFA deals as wingers.

Gaudreau: $9.75M - 1.07 PPG in the three years prior to his deal
Huberdeau: $10.5M - 1.25 PPG in the three years prior to his deal

I feel like it could have been argued that $10.5M would have been an overpayment - let alone $11.5M.

Plus, if you look at more than just PPG, Nylander is just not as good as some of these players.

Leafs - can't keep the puck out of the net. Teams that give up a ton always are pressing to score. Star players will get more points in these situations. See the Oilers stars the last few years or Colorado increased production for MacKinnon and Rantanen with their struggles defensively this year. MacKinnon might beat his career high by end of Feb, this is mainly due to them giving up 5 on most nights.

Style of play, elite PP is a big part of guys like Nylander's points as well.

Good player and maybe the deal is ok due to projected league revenue and a cap that could be in the mid 90s based on that revenue. But it's a bad contract compared to what we have seen so far. I just think it will get worse than this for similar players in the next 2-3 years.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

they will rumor 18M and then he will give the Oilers a break at 16.5

This is probably pretty close. But if that is the case, the Leafs aren't that bad off then. This will impact all contracts moving forward, Marner will get a raise but Tavares at this point will get much less, and his new cap hit will go down more than Marner's goes up.

Leafs will be fine as they are still young. They need to draft well, but I'd rather have the core then have the depth with no core.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dino7c

they will rumor 18M and then he will give the Oilers a break at 16.5

Whutadeal.

They'll always find a way to spin it as a discount was taken to stay in Edmonton even if its the leagues new most expensive contract, because every one knows guys are lining up to sign their youth away to live in a decrepit tundra town with bad weather, industrial parks, meth water and not a mountain in sight.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The CBA ends during his contract year I believe. If the cap jumps to $100 million $20 million is 10% of the cap.

If the owners go after term limits again I could see him ask for like a 25 a year deal.

The current CBA expires on September 15, 2026, which is 2 and a half months after his current contract expires. The Oilers would be crazy to let him go to free agency, so he will almost-certainly sign during the 2025-26 season (whether in Edmonton or somewhere else after a blockbuster trade). Even if he goes to free agency, he would sign in early July 2026 and still be under the terms of the current CBA.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Funny how last year people were thinking he should get something like 9 million per at most. Contract year and surprise surprise he's having a career year, and now gets paid based on it. Just like Treliving did with Huberdeau. Paying based on an anomaly. Nylander will now be extremely comfortable and probably fall back to his career average.

Why stop there. Gotta break Huberdeau's record.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

This is probably pretty close. But if that is the case, the Leafs aren't that bad off then. This will impact all contracts moving forward, Marner will get a raise but Tavares at this point will get much less, and his new cap hit will go down more than Marner's goes up.

Leafs will be fine as they are still young. They need to draft well, but I'd rather have the core then have the depth with no core.

they will be fine to lose in the first round every season with the odd get their asses kicked in round 2 if lucky

they have NO D! Draft well? they will trade all their good picks

people are fooled into thinking they are a good team because of the skills comp

12 regulation wins in 37 games

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dino7c

they will be fine to lose in the first round every season with the odd get their asses kicked in round 2 if lucky

they have NO D! Draft well? they will trade all their good picks

people are fooled into thinking they are a good team because of the skills comp

12 regulation wins in 37 games

The twelve regulation wins thing is a huge concern. Frankly I think the team is talented AF but certain guys have big egos (Matthews and Marner specifically). They get the leads, play lazy while the other team catches up but the Leafs have a mentality that they’ll ultimately win it in OT or shootout. It’s been going on for at least a year and a half. If they’re behind they play did the regulation tie. If they’re ahead they coast. It’s on the players. But it could be the coach not pushing them enough. You see it game after game and it’s not an anomaly.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

they will be fine to lose in the first round every season with the odd get their asses kicked in round 2 if lucky

they have NO D! Draft well? they will trade all their good picks

people are fooled into thinking they are a good team because of the skills comp

12 regulation wins in 37 games

That's this year only. I don't think they will be a threat this year but Nylander signed for 8 years and Mathews 4. Both kick in after this year. Can they compete with these deals is the question? Yes they can, some can look past just this year.

Washington caps put it all together after most said they never would

[butterfly]

Someone will offer McDavid a max deal and if it’s not the Oilers, why would he stay there?