[News] Flames Call Up Wolf

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Locke

So...Vladar and Markstrom finally patch together a couple good games and NOW we call up Wolf?

What the actual fata guys?

Obviously there is an injury or sickness

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by 868904

I'd pump the brakes a bit. I have high hopes for Wolf, but I've noticed he gets beat a lot up high, which makes sense as he doesn't have the size to cover those areas.

He can get away with it in the AHL, but in the NHL, even plugs like Coleman can go top corner.

I'm excited to see Wolf, but going to temper my expectations a bit.

Most goalies are beat up high. He's still a beast. I will not pump the brakes, fully invested in the wolf pack

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You said he didn't have great numbers anywhere, he does though
Also that was 19/20 season, season cancelled so only 25 games

Guy just turned 26, he will be a good goalie for someone it would be stupid to give him away.

Vladar?

Do you really think he's on the verge of becoming a top 30 nhl goalie?

He's not nearly consistent enough. Might make a fine backup for someone though. But those aren't exactly rare commodities.

Hanging on to unrealized potential on vladar isn't worth stalling Wolf's development/career.

[dino7c]

Wolf's career isn't being stalled...he was the 3rd best goalie in camp and is still very young. He is better off playing a ton in the AHL

Not many goalies play in the NHL at his age

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dobbles

I've given up trying to understand why people are OK keeping the 2 time AHL goalie of the year off the roster, I would settle for just understanding why the trade value of Dan Vladar is such a high priority for this fan base.

I don't think the trade value of Dan Vladar is the high priority that keeps him on the roster. Rather, the reason he is still here, and the reason Wolf will shuttle back-and-forth between the AHL and the NHL for the foreseeable near-future is precisely because this is a very good, extremely low-risk available option that will be gone after this season. The Flames are smart to take advantage of Wolf's waiver status while they can.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Wolf's career isn't being stalled...he was the 3rd best goalie in camp and is still very young. He is better off playing a ton in the AHL

Not many goalies play in the NHL at his age

Yeah I don't get the "stalled" talk.

Maybe I would if this were game 81, and he hadn't been called up at all - but we're just over 10 games into the season, and he's getting called up to (I imagine) play a game or two. This is Wolf's transition year to the NHL, and I've got no problem with how it's being handled so far. If Conroy hasn't traded a goalie by the TDL, then I'll begin to ponder what the hell they're thinking - but right now? All good.

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You said he didn't have great numbers anywhere, he does though
Also that was 19/20 season, season cancelled so only 25 games

Guy just turned 26, he will be a good goalie for someone it would be stupid to give him away.

I'm asking why fans are so invested of the trade value of a goalie that one had a nice 25 game run in the AHL 5 years ago.

And for the record, I am not saying he has never had any good numbers. What I see when I look at his stats are a whole lot of ups and downs.

And since you got all "well actually" on me, the 19/20 season was not 25 games long. Maxime Lagace played more games than Vladar although his numbers were not as great as Vladars. (though still solid)

He may very well be a good goalie for someone, but I think Wolf can be a much better goalie for Calgary. My contention all summer has been that the team should push Wolfs development. That he has nothing left to prove in a league he has been named MVP of and goalie of the year twice in a row. Calling him up now certainly helps, but I think last year he could have had more chances (specifically the Markstrom baby) and that he should be getting regular starts this year.

[dino7c]

Exactly, give him a few games to see if he is ready...what happens if you waive Vladar to the Oilers and Wolf get lit up?

Seems to me it's better to be patient

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dobbles

I don't view it as much as fragile, but mostly that if he can't get locked in right away in his limited chances that he'll be viewed by fans and the team as 'not ready' and lose another full season in the AHL.

Why do you think that playing in the AHL is "losing seasons"? He continues to play at a high level, which is what we want.

Everyone knows that Dustin Wolf will be permanently on the Flames roster no later than next season, and very realistically before then. I continue to remain perplexed at why people find this situation so concerning or untenable.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah I don't get the "stalled" talk.

Maybe I would if this were game 81, and he hadn't been called up at all - but we're just over 10 games into the season, and he's getting called up to (I imagine) play a game or two. This is Wolf's transition year to the NHL, and I've got no problem with how it's being handled so far. If Conroy hasn't traded a goalie by the TDL, then I'll begin to ponder what the hell they're thinking - but right now? All good.

It hasn't been yet, sure, but it will be stalled if they don't figure out who's staying or going at the NHL level. I don't think a cup of coffee every couple months will suffice. Wolf checked off whatever achievements he had left in the A last season.

Can't run with all three guys beyond the trade deadline.

I guess if they need to wait until then to maximize the return for vladar then so be it. But I don't think it's going to be a lot no matter what, so you might as well get Wolf started

[blankall]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah I don't get the "stalled" talk.

Maybe I would if this were game 81, and he hadn't been called up at all - but we're just over 10 games into the season, and he's getting called up to (I imagine) play a game or two. This is Wolf's transition year to the NHL, and I've got no problem with how it's being handled so far. If Conroy hasn't traded a goalie by the TDL, then I'll begin to ponder what the hell they're thinking - but right now? All good.

To add to this.

Wolf is wavier wire exempt. The plan was always to call up Wolf at intermittent times in the season. The best possible development course for Wolf is to play a lot of games in the AHL and get some experience in the NHL year.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dobbles

I'm asking why fans are so invested of the trade value of a goalie that one had a nice 25 game run in the AHL 5 years ago.

And for the record, I am not saying he has never had any good numbers. What I see when I look at his stats are a whole lot of ups and downs.

And since you got all "well actually" on me, the 19/20 season was not 25 games long. Maxime Lagace played more games than Vladar although his numbers were not as great as Vladars. (though still solid)

He may very well be a good goalie for someone, but I think Wolf can be a much better goalie for Calgary. My contention all summer has been that the team should push Wolfs development. That he has nothing left to prove in a league he has been named MVP of and goalie of the year twice in a row. Calling him up now certainly helps, but I think last year he could have had more chances (specifically the Markstrom baby) and that he should be getting regular starts this year.

Nice novel

You said he didn't have good numbers anywhere...that was his best season but he also has other good AHL and European numbers. There is a reason he got NHL games so young. Vladar just played a great game in Seattle.

Like what are you even arguing? Vladar has no value?

I guess we will see...

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

...If Conroy hasn't traded a goalie by the TDL, then I'll begin to ponder what the hell they're thinking - but right now? All good.

Even then, while this is not ideal, it is also not the unmitigated distaster it is made out to be by some. Wolf will be just fine.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Except that he is complete garbage against the Oilers. We will never forget!

And outplayed Oettinger in the first round or the Flames wouldn't have gotten that far.

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Nice novel

You said he didn't have good numbers anywhere...that was his best season but he also has other good AHL and European numbers. There is a reason he got NHL games so young. Vladar just played a great game in Seattle.

Like what are you even arguing? Vladar has no value?

I guess we will see...

Good lord you are obtuse. I have stated several times exactly what I am arguing. Dustin Wolf should be full time in the NHL even if that means waiving Vladar and losing him for nothing. You don't have to agree with that opinion, but I think at the very least I have been crystal f-ing clear on it.

I didn't say he's never had any good numbers. And if you want to win some internet points I am happy to apologize and concede the point. I award you 17 internet argument points. Well played sir.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I'm a fan of overcooking a talented goalie prospect at the minor and pro levels.

I'm not a fan of overcooking a goalie of the year winner at every level he's played who also won MVP in your farm league.

Sometimes a guy is so good that he's earned the right to not have to wait as long as your 'ordinary' goalie prospects.

Maybe I'm just a fan of merit/meritocracy.

Wolf has earned seeing the next level more than Vladar has earned staying ahead of him occupying that spot.

I think if you let it drag out too long it sends the wrong message.

If a prospect is literally the best you can be at his respective position wherever he's played, hasn't he earned a shorter route to the big show? There should be exceptions made for "exceptional" cases IMO.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Bubba17

And outplayed Oettinger in the first round or the Flames wouldn't have gotten that far.

Ehhh... dunno about that, Oettinger was outstanding and probably the best player in the series, IMO. But Marky was certainly good, and good enough that the Flames, who were the stronger team from the net out in that series, overcame a goalie who would otherwise have stolen that thing.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by 868904

I'd pump the brakes a bit. I have high hopes for Wolf, but I've noticed he gets beat a lot up high, which makes sense as he doesn't have the size to cover those areas.

He can get away with it in the AHL, but in the NHL, even plugs like Coleman can go top corner.

I'm excited to see Wolf, but going to temper my expectations a bit.

Isn't that pretty much the script to beat most goalies? Have to pick corners or post-and-in if you want to beat NHL goaltenders clean. Otherwise it's garbage goals or deflections that usually end up in the net. I admittedly haven't watched Wolf play much, but he did make some cool Kipper-scorpion save last time I saw him in preseason, so he's pretty much jesus to me at this point .

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dobbles

Good lord you are obtuse. I have stated several times exactly what I am arguing. Dustin Wolf should be full time in the NHL even if that means waiving Vladar and losing him for nothing. You don't have to agree with that opinion, but I think at the very least I have been crystal f-ing clear on it.

I didn't say he's never had any good numbers. And if you want to win some internet points I am happy to apologize and concede the point. I award you 17 internet argument points. Well played sir.

You keep making the same statement over and over, and completely ignore all the arguments against it, and then you call others obtuse?

As has been explained to you countless times, managing the team means more than just managing one player. And managing ALL the players is not, in any way, a disservice to Wolf.

You have been screaming for him to be called up. He HAS been called up. Be happy about it.

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why do you think that playing in the AHL is "losing seasons"? He continues to play at a high level, which is what we want.

Everyone knows that Dustin Wolf will be permanently on the Flames roster no later than next season, and very realistically before then. I continue to remain perplexed at why people find this situation so concerning or untenable.

I view it as 'losing seasons' in 2 respects. First, you want the prospect to succeed. So I think he should be put in the best situation for that to happen. Leaving him in a lower league where he has already mastered it slows that down. Secondly is the business side of things. Successful teams have to get lucky on young value contracts. If the team really thinks Wolf is their future, then you would want as many seasons at the NHL level where they are getting their moneys worth and can spend cap elsewhere. (this is less of a point if the team ends up having to rebuild)

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Even then, while this is not ideal, it is also not the unmitigated distaster it is made out to be by some. Wolf will be just fine.

People are stating their opinions. No one is losing sleep over this. I argue more vehemently about this topic than anyone on this board. It's just something to talk about. Yet you always make these snide comments when people have a different opinion than you. Which seems really weird considering the work you do.