Senators forfeit 1st round pick (in 2024, 2025 or 2026) because of Dadonov trade

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Pretty much this.



The league gave back the first (albeit the last pick in the 1st round) the Devils lost in the Kovalchuk signing because of new ownership. Andlauer angling for the same play.

I don't think that's on the table. Dennis Bernstein was saying that Vegas and Anaheim were pushing hard for a penalty for the Sens.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Wow, terrible take.

"Oh we can't put you in prison so I guess we shouldn't punish you at all."

The NHL is not in business to fight crime. It's not their job.

So what do you think they should have done to the Blackhawks? Revoke their franchise, maybe, and get sued for a billion dollars (and lose)? Yeah, that would show 'em. (I'm not being facetious. At least one poster on CP was actually calling for that to happen at one point.)

The appropriate people to punish the culprits in the Beach incident are the Illinois authorities.

[Mr.Coffee]

Well the above is just flat out wrong.

Pretty sure that in multiple places, from NHL bylaws, to player contracts, to the franchise contracts, to, like, every fricken contract the NHL has, there will be language that both parties agree to follow laws, regulations, etc. Pretty standard stuff. Moreover, the reputational damage to the NHL is substantial as well. Think of it like a -1,000,000 commercial erasing any of the goodwill the league has.

So to bring up the Blackhawks thing is a perfectly valid and actually super relevant point and comparison. It clearly demonstrates that the league- one that alleges to be concerned about its integrity (laughable)- has tiers of teams that I treats preferentially. Judging by how it runs itself over the last few years, I’m pretty confident that it pretty much all comes down to money.

The NHL sucks. They’re greedy ####s. They’re like the living embodiment of a supervillain only concerned with making money at this point.

Do we honestly think, if this exact same circumstance occurred, and instead of the Sens it was the New York Rangers, they’d be giving up a 1st?

But the league has integrity right? #### the NHL. They’re a joke. In the complete sense of the word.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The NHL is not in business to fight crime. It's not their job.

So what do you think they should have done to the Blackhawks? Revoke their franchise, maybe, and get sued for a billion dollars (and lose)? Yeah, that would show 'em. (I'm not being facetious. At least one poster on CP was actually calling for that to happen at one point.)

The appropriate people to punish the culprits in the Beach incident are the Illinois authorities.

Lol as they suspend a guy for letting a buddy use his betting account to bet on football

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The NHL is not in business to fight crime. It's not their job. They could be sued if they tried it.

What? You are aware that the NHL investigated the matter and handed out disciplinary action? Monetary fines and banishment from the league in the case of Quenneville and friends.

People have an issue because the Leafs and Devils have lost picks for improper contracts, Coyotes for improper combine testing and now the Sens for this. It's not that they didn't give out punishment to the Hawks because they couldn't, they could and did, it's because the fine they got was less than the Devils did for signing Kovalchuk to a contract that was against the "spirit" of the CBA, not even breaking a rule.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A. The league, which makes the decision disagrees.

B. Feaster didn’t even ask before acting - I’m confident they never even thought about it.

C. Very few analysts and CBA commentators agree with you. As I said, the clarification doesn’t mean the original draft meant something else.

EDIT: Murray Edwards is as sharp a contract reader as they come, and he uses every bit of wording to his advantage, and he’s not afraid to litigate. Yet he fired Feaster over this.

Feaster wasn't fired until Brian Burke was brought on and he evaluated the franchise.

Feaster offer sheeted ROR in March 2013. Burke was hired in September 2013 and he went to ownership in December to let them know that Feaster had to go. I think Burke said in his book that he doesn't like to make big changes during his first year with the franchise but he was compelled to do so with Feaster because he didn't trust Feaster to screw up the franchise.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Well the above is just flat out wrong.

Pretty sure that in multiple places, from NHL bylaws, to player contracts, to the franchise contracts, to, like, every fricken contract the NHL has, there will be language that both parties agree to follow laws, regulations, etc.

That language doesn't mean what you apparently think it does. If a person is found guilty of a crime, that doesn't mean that every contract they ever signed is suddenly null and void. It's about following the laws that pertain to the particular business that the bylaw or contract is about.

Moreover, the reputational damage to the NHL is substantial as well. Think of it like a -1,000,000 commercial erasing any of the goodwill the league has.

Prove it. Show me the damage in dollars and cents, because that's the standard a court would use if the NHL tried to make itself a party to the case.

You are alleging that the entire brand value of the NHL as a business entity has been destroyed by this incident. That's absurd, even considered as hyperbole.

So to bring up the Blackhawks thing is a perfectly valid and actually super relevant point and comparison. It clearly demonstrates that the league- one that alleges to be concerned about its integrity (laughable)- has tiers of teams that I treats preferentially.

No, if anything it clearly demonstrates that the league doesn't give a crap about crimes committed by employees of its franchises if they do not affect the product on the ice.

The NHL sucks. They’re greedy ####s. They’re like the living embodiment of a supervillain only concerned with making money at this point.

‘At this point’? Chasing the almighty dollar is standard procedure for them and for every professional sports league.

Do we honestly think, if this exact same circumstance occurred, and instead of the Sens it was the New York Rangers, they’d be giving up a 1st?

Do we honestly think that we can draw valid conclusions by comparing a thing that happened to a thing that didn't?

How about you show me a case where an employee of a small-market team has been found guilty of a heinous crime and the league has punished the franchise for it? That would show that it's about markets being treated unequally. Until you do, I will maintain that it's about different situations being treated differently.

But the league has integrity right? #### the NHL. They’re a joke. In the complete sense of the word.

Now, now. Nobody is accusing the NHL of having integrity. But they have a legal staff telling them to stay out of matters that are not in their jurisdiction, lest they get their peepee slapped by the guys with the gavels.