Problem is we may have to acquire a "next core".
Maybe trading someone like Hanifin is needed to get picks/prospects to do that.
It's too early in the season to know if our current core has the goods, so no point in doing anything now unless it's a contract that would have good trade value.
If it turns out we have a 500 core team, something has to be moved to start creating that next and a much better core.
Signing another guy who can lock us into being too good to be bad, too bad to be good, isn't the move.
I don't think Hanifin is a player that would keep the Flames artificially higher in the standings. Also, unless a player signs for a bad deal, I do believe that players with good contracts (or fair ones) have just as much value and often more value than expiring deals. As long as the Flames don't overpay for him (and give him too much trade protection!), then it provides the Flames with the flexibility to deal him at some point if needed, rather than be forced to deal him today (and the market may not be strong, or Hanifin may get injured this season).
As long as it isn't a bad deal with too much trade protection, I view this as a good thing, rather than as something to worry about.
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I don't think Hanifin is a player that would keep the Flames artificially higher in the standings. Also, unless a player signs for a bad deal, I do believe that players with good contracts (or fair ones) have just as much value and often more value than expiring deals. As long as the Flames don't overpay for him (and give him too much trade protection!), then it provides the Flames with the flexibility to deal him at some point if needed, rather than be forced to deal him today (and the market may not be strong, or Hanifin may get injured this season).
As long as it isn't a bad deal with too much trade protection, I view this as a good thing, rather than as something to worry about.
I expect that if Hanifin forgoes UFA, I expect it will have quite a bit of no trade protection, and be for 8 years for a pretty high AAV.
Lindholm is our best player.
But if we can't get over the hump with him, then trade him for a good return and rebuild/retool.
If this team can turn into a top 4 in the West team over the next 2-3 months, then consider keeping him.
Don't do anything today that handcuffs the team like the Huberdeau and Kadri contracts did.
It is early but he's leading the team in goals, points, and is doing it with terrible zone starts. However, you always have to consider the contract year bump. He's not a $9.3 million dollar player and I cringe at $9 million.
I can’t imagine they can sign Hanifin and Elias do what is better
Elias plus whatever they get for Hanifin
Or Hanifin plus whatever they get for Elias
I think Elias gets you more in trade
This is the proper line of thinking, imo. The Flames A) will keep as many players as they can regardless of how the core has/will perform as there is a mandate from above
AND b) they can't keep everyone no matter how much they want to. So in that regard it really is Lindholm vs Hanifin as you can't keep both now that Backlund as re-signed (not resigned).
And between the two I think you're right. I feel Hanifin's return would underwhelm the fan base to a crazy degree compared to what a contender would pay for an unsigned Lindholm as a rental at $2mil for a cup run.
Can someone tell me what the provisions are on the first round pick we sent to Montreal? I know there is some protection but I got a feeling that if it’s either 2024 or 2025 there is a good chance it will be a top 10 pick. Flames need a rebuild but our best future asset seems like it won’t be playing for us.
Can someone tell me what the provisions are on the first round pick we sent to Montreal? I know there is some protection but I got a feeling that if it’s either 2024 or 2025 there is a good chance it will be a top 10 pick. Flames need a rebuild but our best future asset seems like it won’t be playing for us.
Flamesnation (and I think CP's own Scorpion) have a detailed breakdown here if you trust them:
Can someone tell me what the provisions are on the first round pick we sent to Montreal? I know there is some protection but I got a feeling that if it’s either 2024 or 2025 there is a good chance it will be a top 10 pick. Flames need a rebuild but our best future asset seems like it won’t be playing for us.
For this year, if the Flames pick anywhere 20-32 in the draft, Montreal has the option to choose the draft pick this year.
Hard to envision that happening, so the most likely outcome will come in 2025.
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If it is true that the trade return on Hanifin would be underwhelming, then that needs to be reflected in his contract value. I don't see an argument that he is somehow more valuable to the Flames than he is to other clubs.
If it is true that the trade return on Hanifin would be underwhelming, then that needs to be reflected in his contract value. I don't see an argument that he is somehow more valuable to the Flames than he is to other clubs.
Hanifin doesn't care about his trade value. He is more likely to be overpaid as a UFA than if he is traded to another team and signs an extension
