Huberdeau's agent: "Negativity sucks the joy right out of players"

[Elkyiv]

Sutter will be gone at the end of the season. Much like Hartley after the Jack Adams win.

[Southside403]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

Sutter will be gone at the end of the season. Much like Hartley after the Jack Adams win.

I liked Hartley and Sutter. Crazy Stat both jack Adam's both won series

[Higginson03]

Huberdeau for JT miller and a prospect, both players unhappy with their situation and both could use a change of scenery, we also gain 2, 3 mill in cap

[traptor]

I'd rather try Huberdeau without Sutter then pick up JT Miller. Miller doesn't seem like a great culture guy and I can't see him being a good fit with Sutter either.

[edslunch]

This is bush league by Walsh. First year of many seasons for Huberdeau, it’s not contract leverage, no chance he gets traded, just poisons the well.

[Samonadreau]

I love how, in 2023, people still reference the wrong definition of insanity.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I love how, in 2023, people still reference the wrong definition of insanity.

If I understand correctly, Einstein stated it perfectly

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by edslunch

This is bush league by Walsh. First year of many seasons for Huberdeau, it’s not contract leverage, no chance he gets traded, just poisons the well.

I don't think he wants Huberdeau to be traded, this is a shot across ownerships bow, he want's Mr. (no fun) Sutter back on the farm.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

If I understand correctly, Einstein stated it perfectly

If I understand it correctly, nobody knows for sure if Einstein even even said it.

And just because it may be insane..... it doesn't mean it's the definition.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

If I understand it correctly, nobody knows for sure if Einstein even even said it.

And just because it may be insane..... it doesn't mean it's the definition.

Yeah I wasn’t being serious

[gamesaver]

Do they even know who Huberdeau is? He is an ultimate plug, Lindholm 2.0 with better vision and skating but worse shot. He needs linemates and develop chemistry with them, which takes time. It took him several seasons to create such chemistry with Barkov in Florida. He will never drive the play alone as Iggy or Johnny. You need to find him linemates, righthanded scorer is a must, so they can contribute each other's skills, but it might take a season or two. Or did they expect he is about to turn into Tkachuk, just because he came here to replace him? I think Kadri is the same type of player, but worse. So you have 3 "stars" but none of them is a franchise player you can build the team around. Agreed with Sutter on that one actually. Two of them are getting payed as if they were though.

Is that on Huberdeau? I don't think so. Surely he was not good, but I don't think this was an unexpected turn of events, looking at his linemates.

What happens now? We have a starter who can't start and a star player who can't score. A coach who is stubborn and too old school to experiment. GM who's contract is expiring, but made it so we can't rebuild either. This is quickly turning into a trainwreck. I feel like they should just call up Wolf and hand him the keys. Either he is gonna save the season and we stumble to that last wild card spot, excite the fanbase for the future with an actual goalie who is also YOUNG, or there is no future for this team anyway and they can just start selling.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by gamesaver

Do they even know who Huberdeau is? He is an ultimate plug, Lindholm 2.0 with better vision and skating but worse shot. He needs linemates and develop chemistry with them, which takes time. It took him several seasons to create such chemistry with Barkov in Florida. He will never drive the play alone as Iggy or Johnny. You need to find him linemates, righthanded scorer is a must, so they can contribute each other's skills, but it might take a season or two. Or did they expect he is about to turn into Tkachuk, just because he came here to replace him? I think Kadri is the same type of player, but worse. So you have 3 "stars" but none of them is a franchise player you can build the team around. Agreed with Sutter on that one actually. Two of them are getting payed as if they were though.

Is that on Huberdeau? I don't think so. Surely he was not good, but I don't think this was an unexpected turn of events, looking at his linemates.

What happens now? We have a starter who can't start and a star player who can't score. A coach who is stubborn and too old school to experiment. GM who's contract is expiring, but made it so we can't rebuild either. This is quickly turning into a trainwreck. I feel like they should just call up Wolf and hand him the keys. Either he is gonna save the season and we stumble to that last wild card spot, excite the fanbase for the future with an actual goalie who is also YOUNG, or there is no future for this team anyway and they can just start selling.

Don’t forget that 1st round pick dealt to Montreal. It’s looking like it could be a very good one. Things could get extremely ugly over the next 2-3 years.

[devo22]

well I hate agents going public like this, but I'm not mad that things are ramping up. Something just seems off this year and we can't go on like this ... something's got to give. This organization needs to be honest with itself and make some tough decisions over the next few months, both in terms of who's on the ice and behind the bench.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by madmike

Don’t forget that 1st round pick dealt to Montreal. It’s looking like it could be a very good one. Things could get extremely ugly over the next 2-3 years.

We still don't know which one we actually gave them. I think if it is a good pick, the Flames retain it.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by butterfly

We still don't know which one we actually gave them. I think if it is a good pick, the Flames retain it.

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[GullFoss]

My hope is that Walsh knows a trade is available for Huby and is trying to force the issue. If this forces Tre's hand to trade Huby, then I think that's the best outcome for all parties.

Huby isnt who we thought he was. He is not a franchise player. He doesn't drive play. He isn't a game breaker. If he wants out and there's a team out there willing to facilitate it, then the flames should do it.

At this point, if True was able to trade Huby for future considerations and no retained cap, I would consider it a win.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

My hope is that Walsh knows a trade is available for Huby and is trying to force the issue. If this forces Tre's hand to trade Huby, then I think that's the best outcome for all parties.

Huby isnt who we thought he was. He is not a franchise player. He doesn't drive play. He isn't a game breaker. If he wants out and there's a team out there willing to facilitate it, then the flames should do it.

At this point, if True was able to trade Huby for future considerations and no retained cap, I would consider it a win.

Whether or not that's a good idea, which is a fair discussion to have, Tre would get roasted if he did it.

When Walsh says stuff like this, he's usually not wrong. Peters was fooling around with Frolik's ice time that year, even though he was playing just fine with Tkachuk and Backlund and that line was critical to the team's success.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Whether or not that's a good idea, which is a fair discussion to have, Tre would get roasted if he did it.

When Walsh says stuff like this, he's usually not wrong. Peters was fooling around with Frolik's ice time that year, even though he was playing just fine with Tkachuk and Backlund and that line was critical to the team's success.

When Walsh says stuff like this, he usually has already had conversations with the GM and Walsh or his client didn't like the answer.

What happened to frolik after that? He went to the Habs for a handful of games, then Buffalo for even fewer. And then he was done in the NHL.

Maybe Walsh should tell his client to stop playing like dog ####.

[Flames1217]

Sutter's mind games aren't working this year.

The constant narrative that this is a team without stars while pumping the tires of every other team in the league for thier stars.

All of Huberdeau, Lindholm and Andersson are stars. Huberdeau has been elite for years, cut the ####. Same can be said about Lindy.

The fact that Huberdeau doesn't run the power play and they have never tried it is complete nonsense. He is among the best passers in the league. There is absolutely no excuse.

The handling of Pelletier's first game presser, the line deployments notably top 6 Looch and scratching Rosey is super questionable. This is all without mentioning the whole no one deserves the captaincy debacle.

No wonder why the room is a mess.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

When Walsh says stuff like this, he usually has already had conversations with the GM and Walsh or his client didn't like the answer.

What happened to frolik after that? He went to the Habs for a handful of games, then Buffalo for even fewer. And then he was done in the NHL.

Maybe Walsh should tell his client to stop playing like dog ####.

That happened the following year, when the contract was ending and they could have just let it play out. When Peters started doing that in 18-19, it might have been the beginning of the downfall of that #1 in the West team. Walsh wasn't wrong to bring it up.

Frolik was arguably the best UFA contract that Tre had ever given out. The guy did nothing but show up to camp in the best shape of anybody and played hard almost every night.

Did Huberdeau really just go from an all-star to a pumpkin in one summer? I'm not going to defend his play, but there's clearly something going on with the relationship with Sutter. Walsh says this stuff when the coaches are playing mind games.