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[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

Sutter just said Markstrom has a better save percentage than Vladar since the 20 game mark of the season. This can’t be true can it?

Vladar is 7-1-3 since game 20 of the season

Markstrom is 5-7-4.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Vladar is 7-1-3 since game 20 of the season

Markstrom is 5-7-4.

we desperately need vladar's point percentage moving forward if we want to avoid the dreaded middle ground of 9th-10th place

even if JM has played hard, the team/him shoot themselves in most of the games he starts

[3rd liner]

Missed the game so just watching PVR and 3rd Avs goal just happened. I heard the entire team was pretty much garbage tonight, so maybe this is a moot point…. but that interference call on Stone that led to third goal was absolute garbage. Ref should not ref an NHL game again. That play happens 30 times in each game and never called. So you can’t even tough a forward coming in now???? I hope the ref is held accountable.

[ComixZone]

To all the Huberdeau haters:

671 games, 613 points.

Then he all of a sudden comes to Calgary and “sucks”?

No. Our system sucks. It pulls skill out of the game both ways, but it appears to do it more to our players than it does the opposition - so yeah, it’s Darryl’s system.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

we desperately need vladar's point percentage moving forward if we want to avoid the dreaded middle ground of 9th-10th place

even if JM has played hard, the team/him shoot themselves in most of the games he starts

Vladar is single handedly killing any chance at Bedard. Markstrom gives us a chance at finishing bottom 12 and pulling a miracle ping pong ball.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Vladar is single handedly killing any chance at Bedard. Markstrom gives us a chance at finishing bottom 12 and pulling a miracle ping pong ball.

You can only move up 2 draft spots.

You need to finish bottom 3 to draft Bedard.

Edit: wrong wrong wrong wrong. Wrong. I’m wrong.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yes, obviously.

They’re lazy as ####. They all look so miserable.

I saw a documentary of the Bruins who just brought in a new coach and are now almost 30 more wins than losses. They showed the dressing room after one of their games and it looked like a nightclub the way they were partying. It was nuts. Several Bruins talking about this is the most fun they’ve had in years.

These are men in their early to mid 20’s. Hockeys fun if you’re confident and can win but Sutter looks and acts pissed 99% of the time and mocks players relentlessly for sometimes inexplicable reasons. And even when he explains things they don’t make sense or there are huge logic gaps. For example not playing young players because they are too small meanwhile guys on the team are the same size or smaller. Young players make mistakes meanwhile the vets have been making mistake’s every shift for 80 games. He relies on his cup championships and experience and has lost the room because OBVIOUSLY whatever the #### he’s doing isn’t working. So it’s not fun. It’s a mean, terrible, negative, toxic, extremely hard existence.

So yeah he lost the room and they are lazy because of it because they don’t really care, our fans sit on their hands and so home ice doesn’t mean anything, and they’re going to miss the playoffs because the Avs are the better team and will pass them.

fun lends itself to energy, creativity and subsequently, success

you need fun around the game

I would guess the atmosphere in the Flames room falls closer to a POW camp, given how little freedom out there these guys probably feel like they have and what they likely must endure from the bench boss, who seems as unpredictable as ever

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

You can only move up 2 draft spots.

You need to finish bottom 3 to draft Bedard.

You can move up 10, not sure why I thought it was 11. If we finished 11th last or worse we (or any team) would have a shot at Bedard.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

To all the Huberdeau haters:

671 games, 613 points.

Then he all of a sudden comes to Calgary and “sucks”?

No. Our system sucks. It pulls skill out of the game both ways, but it appears to do it more to our players than it does the opposition - so yeah, it’s Darryl’s system.

Not just that but in the 4 seasons before this one he has 346 points in 286 games which is good enough for 4th among all NHLers in that time.

1 point ahead of Mackinnon, behind only McDavid, Draisatil, and Kane.

You dont do that as a complimentary player or a guy who has no skills in this league.

It should be the orgs second most priority right now to see how they unlock that - not trying to force him to fit into what Sutter wants do. (Top priority is figuring out what the hell js wrong with Markstrom.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Vladar is single handedly killing any chance at Bedard. Markstrom gives us a chance at finishing bottom 12 and pulling a miracle ping pong ball.

Lol interesting way to look at it

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

You can only move up 2 draft spots.

You need to finish bottom 3 to draft Bedard.

You can only jump 10 spots.

Bottom 11 can win Bedard.

[HighLifeMan]

With the exception of last season Darryl Sutter hasn’t coached a team that had a player reach over a point a game average in 23 years. Hell - even Jarome couldn’t do it when he was the best player on the planet. I know who I’m pointing my finger at for Huberdeau’s dramatic drop off in production.

Time and time again this coach has completely drained the confidence and creativity of his top forwards.

[Mr.Coffee]

Could you imagine being Phillips? Lol

Imagine being 25, leading the AHL in scoring, doing everything they’ve asked of you, being SO CLOSE to the NHL, and then being treated the way the Flames have and for no real good reason. At all. Like no reason whatsoever.

Absolutely criminal, really. Like just shockingly poor prospect management.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Not just that but in the 4 seasons before this one he has 346 points in 286 games which is good enough for 4th among all NHLers in that time.

1 point ahead of Mackinnon, behind only McDavid, Draisatil, and Kane.

You dont do that as a complimentary player or a guy who has no skills in this league.

It should be the orgs second most priority right now to see how they unlock that - not trying to force him to fit into what Sutter wants do. (Top priority is figuring out what the hell js wrong with Markstrom.

Darryl is doing exactly what Brent did when he coached here.

Your name/your skill set doesn’t matter at all.

Your Calgary Flames LW-1, Calgary Flames C-1, Calgary Flames RW-3, Calgary Flames LW-4 etc etc. You have a job to do within the system based on your position/role. Go out and do the damn job.

“Shot volume”

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Could you imagine being Phillips? Lol

Imagine being 25, leading the AHL in scoring, doing everything they’ve asked of you, being SO CLOSE to the NHL, and then being treated the way the Flames have and for no real good reason. At all. Like no reason whatsoever.

Absolutely criminal, really. Like just shockingly poor prospect management.

I actually place myself in his shoes weekly and shake my head

very few teams would turn their backs on a prospect excelling the way he has, stature be damned

treliving won't wear the pants and defers to sutter's prehistoric thinking, which makes me doubly sad about it

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

You can only jump 10 spots.

Bottom 11 can win Bedard.

Oh snapple. Forgotten how it worked, I had.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Darryl is doing exactly what Brent did when he coached here.

Your name/your skill set doesn’t matter at all.

Your Calgary Flames LW-1, Calgary Flames C-1, Calgary Flames RW-3, Calgary Flames LW-4 etc etc. You have a job to do within the system based on your position/role. Go out and do the damn job.

“Shot volume”

The redeeming characteristic of the Sutter way is that they don’t care who you are (unless you’re young) and will institute a meritocracy.

Sutter did it when he arrived. It worked. This season he stopped for no reason. It isn’t working. Hmmmmm….

Meanwhile our stud AHL team lights it up. Our NHL players all signed massive long term commitments which do not incentivize work ethic. And Sutter refuses to check his ego and install the meritocracy.

Now, we have a horrible culture of laziness. Very clear.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I actually place myself in his shoes weekly and shake my head

very few teams would turn their backs on a prospect excelling the way he has, stature be damned

treliving won't wear the pants and defers to sutter's prehistoric thinking, which makes me doubly sad about it

Kinda hope for Phillips career sake he signs in Edmonton. I suspect they may give him a chance in the top 9. He would probably put up points in that lineup and they have cap issues so signing him to league minimum makes sense.

[Mr.Coffee]

Sutter says tonight to start off with: “you can’t beat the cup champs twice in a season.”

Why? Wtf? Based on what? What are you talking about? Just cuz!

I would have LOVED to see two years ago Sutters face at that remark. What happened to this guy? That quote alone is a fireable offense. Brutal.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The redeeming characteristic of the Sutter way is that they don’t care who you are (unless you’re young) and will institute a meritocracy.

Sutter did it when he arrived. It worked. This season he stopped for no reason. It isn’t working. Hmmmmm….

Meanwhile our stud AHL team lights it up. Our NHL players all signed massive long term commitments which do not incentivize work ethic. And Sutter refuses to check his ego and install the meritocracy.

Now, we have a horrible culture of laziness. Very clear.

I’m beginning to believe the only reason it “worked” is because he put Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk together - the best line in all of hockey. It was so good, that 2 of the 3 bailed on the organization.

Sutter is not running a meritocracy this season. Lucic went from the press box to the “top” line. Sutter really isn’t doing anything this year. He rolls 4 lines endlessly, even when the situation desperately requires something else.

I don’t think we have a lazy culture. Everyone on the team is working hard. The problem is that they’re being told to dig straight up.