[PGT] Flames lose 5-2 to the St Louis Boooos!

[Since1984]

I waited as long as I could.

Losers gonna lose.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I do think the lack of home grown talent on this team is part of why I hate it. Feels like a team of ####ty mercenaries. I didn't see them come through juniors as Flames prospects. I never got excited for them as younger players.

Then they come here and get the richest contracts in franchise history.

The team just feels faceless and they certainly play like it.

There is definitely something about building teams through the draft instead of through free agency. Stanley Cup winners usually build through the former, rather than the latter.

Treliving didn’t get that memo apparently, he loves free agency and trading picks. How many homegrown, impact players remain now that Tkachuk and Gaudreau are gone? Backlund? Andersson? Barely anything. This is not the way you build a contender today.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Ya I was lamenting this earlier. Gaudreau, Bennett, Monahan, Tkachuk, Brodie, Gio. All Flames drafted and developed players, performing fairly well for their new teams. Just the product of Treliving having zero internal succession planning.

To be fair, media and fans get up in arms when Treliving is quiet at the trade deadline, draft day, or free agent frenzy day. Fans can’t have it both ways. Maybe we should adopt the Jets model where we build from within and selectively supplement when we need it…but fans need to be patient for it.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

league needs to rig a lottery for the Flames like they did for Edmonton with Connor to save this franchise

they're in pretty dire straits if the new acquisitions don't improve in a big way

bedard would help sell a future to the fanbase and city to continue investing their time and money

attendance is going to plummet without some kind of a miracle

the on ice product is terrible

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

To be fair, media and fans get up in arms when Treliving is quiet at the trade deadline, draft day, or free agent frenzy day. Fans can’t have it both ways. Maybe we should adopt the Jets model where we build from within and selectively supplement when we need it…but fans need to be patient for it.

Of course, any fan wants to see their team improve. But IMO a balanced approach of succession planning, drafting, development, and key signings. Just dealing all draft picks and home grown talent and building your entire team through trades and FA signings rarely if ever works.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

He's better than Lucic!

Milan *led all Flames forwards* in shifts in the third period. He led them in shifts! They double-shifted him and sat Ruzicka, one of their most consistent forwards all year. What in the world.

He started playing Lucic after the game was over at 4-2 and 5-2. He was just sending a message to the team

And he benched Ruzicka because that was his worst game this year - no urgency at all

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by musth

Guess the Huby#### comment really tore up the room
If you're gonna fire the coaching staff get rid of LaBarbara and Sigalet before they ruin Wolf too

every goalie that comes here regresses

hopefully they don't get their claws in vladar, I like that kid

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He started playing Lucic after the game was over at 4-2 and 5-2. He was just sending a message to the team

And he benched Ruzicka because that was his worst game this year - no urgency at all

Nah Lucic was playing consistently throughout the third period.

The Flames outshot the Blues by a wide margin with Ruzicka on the ice. Just really feels like there's multiple standards being used to evaluate the players on this team. Lucic didn't earn half of the ice he got tonight, even before the game got out of hand.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

To be fair, media and fans get up in arms when Treliving is quiet at the trade deadline, draft day, or free agent frenzy day. Fans can’t have it both ways. Maybe we should adopt the Jets model where we build from within and selectively supplement when we need it…but fans need to be patient for it.

I'm not sure if Calgary as a market really has that patience. I feel like the sense that the market wouldn't accept that is why we've lived in the mushy middle for so long.

[burn_this_city]

Wish Lucic would hang em up like he was rumored to be contemplating last season around Christmas. 8% of the cap on a guy with 5 assists who isn't an impact NHL player at this point.

Sutter lost the team by going back to Markstrom continuously even though it was apparent to everyone a switch was needed. I started to lose faith in the coach during the Edmonton series last year, the stubbornness blew that series.

It's also beyond weird that we're going on multiple seasons now without naming a Captain.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Nah Lucic was playing consistently throughout the third period.

The Flames outshot the Blues by a wide margin with Ruzicka on the ice. Just really feels like there's multiple standards being used to evaluate the players on this team. Lucic didn't earn half of the ice he got tonight, even before the game got out of hand.

I support the crusade you've launched against lucic and his usage but I also find it pretty funny the consistency with which every problem with the forward group comes back to lucic playing over one of the young players in your posts lol

I find great amusement in seeing how the answer works out to Lucic's overuse each and every time

its one of the few things we can count on these days around here.. keep it up

[Strange Brew]

Lucic is not the problem.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Last year was what happens when every single player has a career year and is in a contract year with a fresh new coach and something to prove.

This year is what happens when every single player has a down year and has a long term contract with the same coach and a tired message.

It’s absurd to blame talent or the GM for a poorly constructed roster or mercenaries or any other ridiculous theory. We are down two forwards. Two. One of which who left because he only wants to wear sandals to the rink (and is basically the definition of a mercenary in it for the money) and yet our new guys are mercenaries and we don’t like them because they aren’t “homegrown”? Give me a break. We don’t like them because they aren’t performing.

And our poorly constructed roster is nearly identical to last year. Does anyone seriously think Johnny and Chucky on this team would make the other 20 guys play better? Lindy maybe because he’d be centering them. But their presence isn’t gonna make Marky stop the puck, or Mangi Coleman or Dube play better on their lines. And they sure as hell aren’t making Looch any less of a black hole.

Not to mention, thank god we did make the trade because without Weegs our defence would be ahl calibre right now.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Last year was what happens when every single player has a career year and is in a contract year with a fresh new coach and something to prove.

This year is what happens when every single player has a down year and has a long term contract with the same coach and a tired message.

It’s absurd to blame talent or the GM for a poorly constructed roster or mercenaries or any other ridiculous theory. We are down two forwards. Two. One of which who left because he only wants to wear sandals to the rink (and is basically the definition of a mercenary in it for the money) and yet our new guys are mercenaries and we don’t like them because they aren’t “homegrown”? Give me a break. We don’t like them because they aren’t performing.

And our poorly constructed roster is nearly identical to last year. Does anyone seriously think Johnny and Chucky on this team would make the other 20 guys play better? Lindy maybe because he’d be centering them. But their presence isn’t gonna make Marky stop the puck, or Mangi Coleman or Dube play better on their lines. And they sure as hell aren’t making Looch any less of a black hole.

Not to mention, thank god we did make the trade because without Weegs our defence would be ahl calibre right now.

Well I'd say we are losing because our best guys aren't getting it done. So yeah, some different best guys might give us different results.

"Weegs" has been OK but folks are lamenting Kylington not being here. So that's a bit of an indictment IMO.

Anyway, this California trip feels kind of huge. And hard to be confident about how that is going to go with how they are playing right now. Time for a players only meeting.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Last year was what happens when every single player has a career year and is in a contract year with a fresh new coach and something to prove.

This year is what happens when every single player has a down year and has a long term contract with the same coach and a tired message.

It’s absurd to blame talent or the GM for a poorly constructed roster or mercenaries or any other ridiculous theory. We are down two forwards. Two. One of which who left because he only wants to wear sandals to the rink (and is basically the definition of a mercenary in it for the money) and yet our new guys are mercenaries and we don’t like them because they aren’t “homegrown”? Give me a break. We don’t like them because they aren’t performing.

And our poorly constructed roster is nearly identical to last year. Does anyone seriously think Johnny and Chucky on this team would make the other 20 guys play better? Lindy maybe because he’d be centering them. But their presence isn’t gonna make Marky stop the puck, or Mangi Coleman or Dube play better on their lines. And they sure as hell aren’t making Looch any less of a black hole.

Not to mention, thank god we did make the trade because without Weegs our defence would be ahl calibre right now.

No. But the team would have more goals scored than they do now which I think is the biggest issue with the team

[Traditional_Ale]

Not even Kipper could save this mess.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Lindy is off by only like 5 points from where he would be with Johnny and Chucky too (PPG)

it's just strange to me that huberdeau, kadri and weegar are all giving such mediocre performances .. but that really is spanning the entire group so I think it comes down to a group/locker room issue of some kind

which is why most probably circle back to the coach

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I'm not sure if Calgary as a market really has that patience. I feel like the sense that the market wouldn't accept that is why we've lived in the mushy middle for so long.

I think it's exactly the opposite. The people of Calgary are tired of mediocrity and no longer have the patience for it.

People would be much more excited from any other alternative.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

We all knew Sutter had a short shelf life. I just didn’t expect it to be this short.

I sure seems like the team is trying to get a new coach.

[Ashasx]

Yeah absolute nonsense that this market wouldn't accept a rebuild. The only people that don't have the patience are ownership.