[PGT] Flames lose to Hurricanes 3-2

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The answers are in the room. With a forward group that has an average age of 30, I fail to see what a young 21-24 year old call up from the minors could add that these vets won’t be able to figure out.

Energy. That's what they bring. A good vibe. That said they also need a real chance.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Flames score 11 non-empty net goals in 6 games on this road trip. I bet there will be a call up from Wranglers very soon

Nah, that just sounds like more opportunity for Trevor Lewis.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Two days off to regroup. Use it well.

Next game is against the Panthers, who are dealing with similar underperformance problems. However, because of the recent shootout loss and the connection with key players coming home, I would expect a strong effort from them.

After that is the Canadiens. See above for players coming home. An easier team to play overall, but not a gimme.

Then the Caps come to town. Kuemper has the Flames' number, so I don't have great hopes if he plays.

We might not got a lot of points in the next few games either. I sincerely hope that there's something that pulls this team together, because they don't seem to be playing that hard for one another.

That's the thing that Darryl got the group to do last year, but it's missing for some reason now. Find camaraderie and purpose and this team will do good things.

Or not, and that's fine too. Good year to get a higher draft pick if that's the way things work out. I'll find the positive in anything that isn't "the team is moving".

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

If you posted this during season before last or during the off-season in summer of 2021, it would read exactly the same, except with a few name changes.

Everyone thought we sucked and should rebuild. The whole forum was up in arms about how much the team sucked and simply wasn’t good enough.

Fast forward a few months, the whole roster is having career years and we looked like contenders.

It’s always the exact same reaction when the team plays poorly, until they don’t. Then it’s all sunshine and rainbows.

Of course, but expectations are high. When they are low like rebuilding years you atleast get to discuss the upside in players. Not how they aren't young and paid until forever.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

God, I hate matinee games. It seems like they are almost always guaranteed losses. I would love to know the Flames record in matinee games over the past few years. In fact, I would wager that western teams forced to play matinee games in the east probably do not do well. When you factor in the time change and playing outside of a routine, I would bet the results heavily favour the eastern based teams.

Flames were 4-1 in matinees the last 2 seasons going into today

logic does not check out - the team just sucks

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

filling out nhl roster depth with c-tier free agents is the most anti-developmental thing you could do as an organization and sends the worst possible message to your young hopefuls

" you have to out perform 10 year veterans we already committed one way contracts to and convince a coach that prefers playing veterans ... GOOD LUCK"

no wonder they're the only team not to graduate a prospect in 4 years

Treliving knows he never had to sign Rooney at all, let alone on day 1 of free agency , right?

I will never for the life of me understand his obsession with flooding the team with journey man vets that are replaceable but leave no room for youth to break through

the lack of trust in the prospect pool shown by those moves would discourage me as an ahler too


we are sure giving Edmonton a run for the derp-velopment trophy lately

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Sutter hockey used to be, defense first, dump and chase, thank you Kiprusoff.



Now, Sutter hockey is defense first, dump and chase, thank you Vladar.


The man just loves his Canadian grinders...

And his Iginla's. Boy oh boy could you appreciate a 26 year old Iginla in this puppy #### soft league?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by memphusk

And his Iginla's. Boy oh boy could you appreciate a 26 year old Iginla in this puppy #### soft league?

he would rip the oilers innards out of their collective **** hole

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

filling out nhl roster depth with c-tier free agents is the most anti-developmental thing you could do as an organization and sends the worst possible message to your young hopefuls

" you have to out perform 10 year veterans we already committed one way contracts to and convince a coach that prefers playing veterans ... GOOD LUCK"

no wonder they're the only team not to graduate a prospect in 4 years

Treliving knows he never had to sign Rooney at all, let alone on day 1 of free agency , right?

I will never for the life of me understand his obsession with flooding the team with journey man vets that are replaceable but leave no room for youth to break through

the lack of trust in the prospect pool shown by those moves would discourage me as an ahler too


we are sure giving Edmonton a run for the derp-velopment trophy lately

Hey, my dude.

Put down the bottle. You've had enough for one night. There's always the drunkpuck thread if you need to vent further.

Embarrassing.

[The Familia]

Tired of the tough schedule complaints. To be the best you have to beat the best. This team is not good enough end of story. Good teams beat good teams at all points of a season. Flames continue to live in mediocrity where they have been for the past 30 years.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Hey, my dude.

Put down the bottle. You've had enough for one night. There's always the drunkpuck thread if you need to vent further.

Embarrassing.

okay .. okay maybe it was too far

I have to remind myself this is the team playing Holloway on a 4th line instead of big minutes in the ahl as we speak

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This team needs a serious infusion of talent.

We’re arguably more talented than last year. Just not performing. Having all your stars locked up instead of in contract years is unfortunate.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This schedule to start has been just ridiculous with quality of opposition. The good news is it will get much softer down the road. The Flames will be fine and the negative crowd that are out in droves right now will go back into the woodwork like they were all of last season.

If we are a sub 500 team against good teams, then getting to play bottom dwellers isn’t gonna restore confidence. It just means we’re a bubble team that will get demolished in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Besides being boring, I think this team just isn't very likeable as a whole.

Yes, losing teams tend to be unlikeable. But what else is unlikeable? They kick puppies? Don’t call their mothers? Or does just playing bad make them unlikeable?

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Yes, losing teams tend to be unlikeable. But what else is unlikeable? They kick puppies? Don’t call their mothers? Or does just playing bad make them unlikeable?

For me there's a few things. They seem kind of boring. It doesn't seem like we have star players anymore after losing Chucky and Gaudreau. There is not one player on this team who I get excited about the potential of a big play when they get the puck. The current team seems old and slow. Plus it feels like a team of mercenaries right now. Most of our top players weren't drafted or developed here. They all signed here for their twilight contracts because we paid them big bucks. No real tie to the franchise yet, except for us paying them in these twilight contracts after their peaks. We weren't first choices for guys like Huberdeau, Kadri and Weegar. We just offered them huge contracts they couldn't refuse after their preferred team moved on.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

We’re arguably more talented than last year. Just not performing. Having all your stars locked up instead of in contract years is unfortunate.



If we are a sub 500 team against good teams, then getting to play bottom dwellers isn’t gonna restore confidence. It just means we’re a bubble team that will get demolished in the playoffs.



Yes, losing teams tend to be unlikeable. But what else is unlikeable? They kick puppies? Don’t call their mothers? Or does just playing bad make them unlikeable?

Cecil, are we more talented though, in reality?

Let’s do a comparison, Tkachuk is much more of an offensive threat than Kadri is, and I do not think the defensive acumen between them is overwhelming different. Note, I do think Kadri was a good addition, as we needed the second line center. But, as good as Kadri is, he has never been a consistent offensive threat and is most effective on a second line.

On the Johnny G vs Huby front, sure Huby had consistent and great numbers whilst in Florida, but he has never had to be the main guy on the team. That was Barkov. Johnny G on the other hand was the main catalyst and always faced the toughest match ups, yet still produced comparable numbers to Huby, despite not playing in a free wheeling system.

Sure, we added Weeger, so that may tip the scales on the defensive front, arguably more talented. But, when it comes to offensive talent/forwards, I do think the flames are less dangerous and talented than last year. Losing 2 bonifide first line players is a tough task for any team to overcome.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Yes, losing teams tend to be unlikeable. But what else is unlikeable? They kick puppies? Don’t call their mothers? Or does just playing bad make them unlikeable?

No real game changers. No young players to look forward to. Just overpaid entitled vets on their retirement contracts who look like they are playing for nothing.

I haven't felt this way about the Flames in a long time

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

yeah a lot of guys that appear to have forgotten what it took to earn those sweet contracts they are presently enjoying

monetary incentive sure does make quite the difference in motivation doesn't it

Huberdeau seems very content with the one apple he picked up . he can say he produced today and that seems good enough for him

at least Kadri came into the season hungry for a cup repeat even though he was paid , until he realized no one around him was on board to give the effort or execution that it would require

and his line mates wouldn't be able to hit the broad side of a barn

[Yamer]

It appears I have much more leash to give to this group than the majority of posters. 21 games is still super early after all that happened in the offseason.

I'm still confident they get it figured out.

[calgarygringo]

Didnt realize but watching the Canucks taking it to Vegas. Thought I would check the standings and if things stay the course the so called in trouble Canucks will only be a few points behind the Flames. That doesnt look or sound good after all the crap we hear from Canuck land.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

No real game changers. No young players to look forward to. Just overpaid entitled vets on their retirement contracts who look like they are playing for nothing.

I haven't felt this way about the Flames in a long time

I mean the Flames can do a full tear down rebuild if they want. The contract situation is pretty favourable for it

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I mean the Flames can do a full tear down rebuild if they want. The contract situation is pretty favourable for it

... not really. They're a bad season or two away from looking like San Jose.