Tkachuk on his decision

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Tkachuk can take a hike.

Originally Posted by bluck

Respect. Thank you Matthew for not doing us dirty like 13 did.

I feel both of these emotions equally.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Sounds like the Flames need to hire someone strictly for gossip duty lol..

Don't appear to have a beat on their own players.

Except it's Craig Conroy AKA "Cole Schwindt"

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Sounds like the Flames need to hire someone strictly for gossip duty lol..

Don't appear to have a beat on their own players.

It has nothing to do with gossip. It has to do with knowing your organization and where your people are at. Good organizations are well aware of who wants to be there, who is about to leave, and who needs help out the door. When a company/organization is well managed there are rarely surprises in personnel. You know who is happy and who doesn't give a ####. You know who your lifers are and who are your flight risks. You also have your finger on team dynamics and when changes need to be made. If the Flames couldn't tell Tkachuk was a short-timer for the club, they haven't been paying attention.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

It has nothing to do with gossip. It has to do with knowing your organization and where your people are at. Good organizations are well aware of who wants to be there, who is about to leave, and who needs help out the door. When a company/organization is well managed there are rarely surprises in personnel. You know who is happy and who doesn't give a ####. You know who your lifers are and who are your flight risks. You also have your finger on team dynamics and when changes need to be made. If the Flames couldn't tell Tkachuk was a short-timer for the club, they haven't been paying attention.

My god. Give it a rest. Gaudreau strung them along.
He absolutely killed it with the Chucky trade.
Everyone is well aware of the contract situations of the new guys without you running up and down each thread with the same end of world rant.

[JohnnyB]

Not sad to see him go. His comments don't reflect well on him on his way out either. He comes across as a pretty arrogant prick, implying his former linemate screwed the team over while he was doing the team a favour.

Never really liked him while he was on the team and am glad the team won't build around him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

The NHL is going to have to do something here in the near future or there is going to be a big problem (there already is a problem). It used to be that for the most part players were very loyal to the teams that drafted or traded for them outside of issues with the coach or other players. And this of course is assuming that the pay is equal which I think in todays NHL is pretty much the case. Now players want to leave cause they want to live in different cities, where the tax breaks are better etc. What this will translate to long term is there will no longer be teams in Calgary, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Edmonton, Buffalo, etc.

The NHL needs to do a few things to help get some parity back if the landscape is changing like this. A good place to start would be compensatory picks. If a player decides he wants to leave his team as a UFA if there has been an equal offer in place then that team should be awarded a compensatory pick based on the production of that player. In the latest version of Gaudreau leaving and based on his production the Flames should be awarded a first round pick (at the end of the round) as compensation for him walking.

The other thing that needs to be looked at is some equalization around the taxation of players in different markets. How can higher tax markets compete with those such as Florida where the tax rates are significantly lower. It isn’t coincidence that Tampa Bay has gone to three straight Stanley Cup finals and the Florida Panthers won the Presidents Trophy. In my opinion if there is a a 5-10 % overall benefit for a player to play for certain teams (ie Tampa/Florida) than those teams should have 5-10% less cap space to work with. Teams in higher tax locations would then be afforded the luxury of paying slightly more for players to keep the take home for the player the same.

Of course I expect nothing to happen until when Edmonton loses Draisatl and McDavid or when Matthews walks on Toronto. But I do believe it is something that we will see in the future.

There is going to be more of this not less
Players are going to push for earlier and more flexible free agency
Look to the nba for what the future looks like
It will get a lot more attention though when matthews walks from the leafs

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The fact the player has to tell the GM that it's time to move on is quite telling. The GM should be able to read when this is likely to happen. They should know when it's time to move a player, when one wants out, and when one needs some help out the door. How is he missing this stuff?

Come on lanny. The easiest way to assess this stuff is by having open communication with the player. Ask them and trust what they say is true
This doesn’t require some deep ability or need to guess just two parties being open and honest

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Not sad to see him go. His comments don't reflect well on him on his way out either. He comes across as a pretty arrogant prick, implying his former linemate screwed the team over while he was doing the team a favour.

Never really liked him while he was on the team and am glad the team won't build around him.

Yeah but that the truth

[powderjunkie]

What a funny world we live in where people are more respectful of a guy demanding a trade than another who simply leaves as UFA.

I don't begrudge either.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There is going to be more of this not less
Players are going to push for earlier and more flexible free agency
Look to the nba for what the future looks like
It will get a lot more attention though when matthews walks from the leafs

I don't think the league minds it one bit. We know they don't like long contracts. Shorter deals and more player movement also support a year-round news cycle.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

On ice/off ice? Huh.. Are there issues we don't know about?

I think this refers to the desirability of Florida vs Calgary as a 24 year old about to make $10m/yr.

[VictoryJuice]

Chucky is a great player but I have my doubts on how great he’ll be as he creeps closer to 30. His skating is below average and the game isn’t getting any slower.

He’s phenomenal down low below the goal line when can use his body but the Atlantic division is tough, and it’s getting even better with Ottawa and Detroit now making forward strides.

This is a good deal for us, if we don’t extend either of Huberdeau or Weegar then we can (hopefully) flip them for great returns at the deadline or sooner. I hope tre has learned his lesson when it comes to players on expiring contracts.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

On ice/off ice? Huh.. Are there issues we don't know about?

I took the on/off ice comment as he felt the Panthers have a better shot at winning the cup than the Flames and for off the ice, he spoke about the beaches and sun down in Florida.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

What a funny world we live in where people are more respectful of a guy demanding a trade than another who simply leaves as UFA.

. .

He didn’t demand a trade and the other guy didn’t make up his mind until the last hour

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

I'm tired of everyone chirping Johnny for 'disrespecting the Flames' for taking his time deciding where to play, and everyone lauding Tkachuk for telling the Flames to beat it so quickly and assuredly (!) as if that is something to be respected.

"F Johnny", he ruined his legacy, screw him, he's a terrible person, boo him, throw his jersey on the ice when he comes back, wish him all the worst in Columbus.. so much toxic garbage on this board because he took his time in deciding where to play. As if that's the most awful thing any hockey player could do. As if his indecision set the franchise back 5 years and cost them 10 first round picks.

Then all the sentiment around Tkachuk is, gosh darn, what a great guy for telling Calgary to beat it so quickly! He wanted out all this time, and didn't hesitate to let us know! How admirable and charming.

Blech.

I'm far less concerned about a player's intentions or what feelings he may or may not have had about the city/team, as I am about the effect his actions have actually had on the team.

The one thing we will agree on is that it's pointless to hold grudges. Life is too short to hang on to bitterness and resentment. My hope is that everyone cheers and applaudes Johnny and Chucky when they return.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I defended Goodrow for the past 6 years against posters like Estrada and Timbit who wanted to run him out of town since year 2.

My goodness you are quite the poster. You defended Gaudreau against posters like me who happened to be one of his biggest supporters over the years? You can't even get your facts straight so why should anyone here listen to anything you have to say?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I'm glad Matthew gave Treliving enough of a warning so that a deal could be put together. I really am. I don't like how he seeks credit for it though. "Hey, I could have totally ####ed you guys over but I didn't. I'm a good guy, right?"

It's hilarious isn't it. He's actually trying to prop himself up as some classy guy that helped out the Flames despite the fact that the 8th year was clearly very, very important to him and the prime reason he helped Treliving. Every single thing this guy ever did was for himself and himself only. There's nothing wrong with being all business at the end of the day but it doesn't make for a very compelling player to cheer for as to me he's one of those rare ex-Flames where I actually don't care if he does well at all in his next stop and I'm certainly never rooting for him.

[jlh2640]

Good riddance. He couldn’t elevate his game when it mattered most, most of his time here. He had his moments. But overall. The way this played out I lost alot of respect for him. We’re better off without him

[Flamesfan05]

It’s funny so much hate for the 2 most successful guys that this franchise found and developed since Iginla.

Quite sad actually.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It’s funny so much hate for the 2 most successful guys that this franchise found and developed since Iginla.

Quite sad actually.

You seem to spew as much hate as anyone on here.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It’s funny so much hate for the 2 most successful guys that this franchise found and developed since Iginla.

Quite sad actually.

I don't hate either player. I'm still fond of Gaudreau as he's a top 5 Flame all-time. I've never made it a secret over the years that I have never been a big fan of Tkachuk so it's not like have just done a 180 on him. I don't hate him but he's just another player in this league that I'm not a fan of.