[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Kyrou, Tarasenko, 1st let's go.

My doom & gloom guess is that ship's long sailed.

Offer's now maybe one of Kyrou/Tarasenko (and they'd prefer Tarasenko), and probably a 2nd/3rd.

We're not trading from a position of strength; writing on the wall that we can't sign him so trading as a last resort.

Big reason why trading him at the draft was the way to go, before all the Gaudreau stuff was finalized.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Well yeah of course but talk about gutting a team, losing two 100+ point players. Can't remember that happening before.

Half the board wants this though.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by rhino

Or they knew he was going to sign it and walk in a year so arbitration could award less than 9 million

Quote was from Rasta, so I lean toward his take. He accurately broke movement between the Johnny and flames camps when it was happening.

I choose to believe. Lol

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[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm assuming he has no intention of signing with anyone long-term at this point. If that is the case, St. Louis or New Jersey or anyone would only be trading for one year of his services, and that year at full market price.

I guess we'll simply have to see.

I don't think signing a one-year deal is in Tkachuk's best interests either. There is no way he puts up 100 points next season and it might be best for him to cash in, at least for 3 years when the cap goes up.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

More time to trade him



They are afraid he would accept his QO and go UFA this week

They are correct



I see trading him or magically win arbitration is the only winning solution

He wouldn't be ufa this week. It would be next July. How do you win arbitration as the team? It'll be one year at whatever dollar amount the arbitrators decide.

The only positive is a little more time to try sign long term or trade.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, for Point, he did win a couple cups in the interim which may have changed his perspective. Werenski’s deal bought 5 UFA years which I suspect is a little lighter than Tkachuk wants.

My point was more that Tkachuk signed a deal that most RFA's signed that summer. Treliving did what every other GM did that summer. I don't think that meant that Tkachuk was looking to get straight to UFA as soon as possible. The Flames messed up by not signing a longterm deal last summer when the other 3 organizations signed their longterm deals. They almost certainly have less leverage now to sign a longterm deal or get a trade done.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by handgroen

The more I think about it this just incentivizes a long term deal, I don’t think that players enjoy actual arbitration hearings at all. You wanna leave this team in a year? You gotta go through this crap.

It certainly incentivizes some kind of deal before the arbitrator hands down his decision.

It sometimes happens that a deal gets hammered out after the hearing but before the award, and that might happen here. Tkachuk might realize that the arbitrator doesn't have as high an opinion of him as he has of himself. It's not a high probability, but a possibility.

Originally Posted by Icon

Big reason why trading him at the draft was the way to go, before all the Gaudreau stuff was finalized.

I don't think the Flames were in a position of strength even then. If they had tried to trade Tkachuk at the draft, other GMs would have said, ‘Oh, then they already know Gaudreau is leaving and they'll tear it down to the studs.’ The vultures were already circling at that point.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well if you are playing chess yes, but if you are playing checkers it is a big win. The Flames are playing checkers while the other teams are playing chess.
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Well they are the only team who lost a Panarin to a team that lost a Panarin. But no, my comment has nothing to do with Gaudreau, just the general way things are run by the hockey management department. Not sure why they would need more time to sign a longterm contract, they theoretically were negotiating with Tkachuk for the past 2 months. But I guess it is possible that they need more time to negotiate. I can't remember the last time a team took such a high profile player to arbitration one year out from UFA status. The entire decision is perplexing unless they are shopping a trade and did not want to trade a player signed to a one year contract.

Wow. I did not know the Flames were the only team to take a player to Arbitration ever. Thanks for that info…

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Icon

My doom & gloom guess is that ship's long sailed.

Offer's now maybe one of Kyrou/Tarasenko (and they'd prefer Tarasenko), and probably a 2nd/3rd.

We're not trading from a position of strength; writing on the wall that we can't sign him so trading as a last resort.

Big reason why trading him at the draft was the way to go, before all the Gaudreau stuff was finalized.

Lol the one positive about the Gaudreau situation is that it reminded everyone that it doesn't play out like people want or expect and a team will pay decent value for that certainty.

[flambers]

Oh man, Just listen to the Rich Winter / Eric Francis interview about arbitration. Basically after this process is finished, a team may win the case.

However, they will lose the player. (i.e. its a difficult process to go through)

No idea, why the Flames have choose this path...

Its sounds like a really bad idea and it will do nothing but tick off the agent and player

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by flambers

Oh man, Just listen to the Rich Winter / Eric Francis interview about arbitration. Basically after this process is finished, a team may win the case.

However, they will lose the player. (i.e. its a difficult process to go through)

No idea, why the Flames have choose this path...

Its sounds like a really bad idea and it will do nothing but tick of the agent and player

The Flames are not intending this to go to arbitration.

But I get the doom and gloom and Flames are stupid and only do stupid things.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

So if he doesn't sign long term the Flames basically have to trade him immediately? What a fricken summer that would be, losing both Gaudreau and Tkachuck.

Depends on the trade, the Flames could have good players back and cap space

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The Flames are not intending this to go to arbitration.

But I get the doom and gloom and Flames are stupid and only do stupid things.

I am sure they don't intend to goto arbitration. Key is will the player sign a contract.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Wow. I did not know the Flames were the only team to take a player to Arbitration ever. Thanks for that info…

Pretty sure I did not say that. But glad you were able to glean that from that post.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

If Tkachuk did not accept his QO the Flames and Tkachuk would have negotiation period until such a time that they lost his rights by turning 27. Sure he would need to hold out, but they would have years to negotiate.

More realistically, if he did not accept his QO they have the remaining summer through pre-season to negotiate.

Now they have just a couple weeks before a contract is thrusted upon them.

So it could be the opposite, that it’s limited their negotiation period.

But you would agree it’s a good thing, right? A smart move by Treliving?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Pretty sure I did not say that. But glad you were able to glean that from that post.

Your snide bit about the Flames playing checkers while every other team plays chess invited an equally snide reply. You got it. Be happy.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Your snide bit about the Flames playing checkers while every other team plays chess invited an equally snide reply. You got it. Be happy.

Wizards play checkers.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Seems like the smart move to make for Treliving to be honest. I wouldn't worry about 'pissing off Tkachuk'. He is going to try and maximize his contract regardless, and I can't imagine he would cut off his own nose just to spite his face.


This is the year for Tkachuk to cash in. Next year is more covid uncertainty, which means cap uncertainty, plus he had a career year (in a crazy year of many career years for the Flames - and general goal scoring around the league) which may not be replicated. Plus he just lost a line-mate who was a wizard and generating offence. This is the best year for him to sign a long-term deal.


I think this shortens the timeline that Tkachuk can sit and wait. I do not think he would have accepted his QO unless the Flames were being really cheap (which I seriously doubt given the rumoured/leaked offers to Gaudreau). I think this will bring up the timeline in negotiating a new deal, so that Treliving can have cap certainty for further RFA and UFA signings - or even if this team is going to compete, retool for a season, or rebuild.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by flambers

I am sure they don't intend to goto arbitration. Key is will the player sign a contract.

If he doesn't, he is getting traded.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

My point was more that Tkachuk signed a deal that most RFA's signed that summer. Treliving did what every other GM did that summer. I don't think that meant that Tkachuk was looking to get straight to UFA as soon as possible. The Flames messed up by not signing a longterm deal last summer when the other 3 organizations signed their longterm deals. They almost certainly have less leverage now to sign a longterm deal or get a trade done.

I doubt they messed up. I suspect Tkachuk values UFA and expected a big season this year. He calculated that right. But maybe he didn’t expect Gaudreau to jump ship, putting his production in serious doubt.