Australian Racial Violence?!?

[Jayems]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Yes I can.

Just answer the question.

Do you think the majority of longtime insider Canadians want religion in public schools? Yes or no?

Im not going to generalize. Refine your question.

[RougeUnderoos]

Just answer it.

It is a straightforward question.

Do you think the majority of longtime insider Canadians want religion in public schools? Yes or no?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Jayems

Yes. I believe that some canadians want the church in schools.
No. I believe that immigrants, entering a multicultural society, do not have to be subjected to others beliefs and therefor have had an effect on our society by changing god in schools.

Whoops. I must have missed this post or maybe you edited it after the fact.

You still didn't answer the question though. I wasn't asking whether or not "some" Canadians want the church in schools. I was asking if you think the majority do.

Just answer the question. It's easy.

Do you think the majority of longtime insider Canadians want religion in public schools? Yes or no?

I am stupid, illiterate, and feeble-minded so please just give me a straight answer because it's all I can handle.

Yes or No?

[Winsor_Pilates]

I think it's clear that he:
A)Knows the majority of "insiders" don't want religion in school
B)Knows that "insiders" put forth these rules a long time ago, not "outsiders"
C)Knows his example was complete BS
D)Won't ever admit it because he's too stubborn

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by @theCBE

You keep asking about Islamic law and how it treats women, but you yourself haven't given anything but vague generalizations about what Islamic Law states, only that it disrespects women. The term Islamic Law itself can have a 101 different definitions, depending on which Muslim you talk to, where he/she is from, who has taught them about their faith, what facet of Islam they choose to follow. What is your interpretation of Islamic law??? The reason you aren't getting an answer is because there isn't one. Hard-line fundamentalists might CLAIM there is an Islamic Law, a set of rules that every true Muslim should follow, but that’s not the case. Most Muslims are capable of telling what is right from wrong, they are able to read the Quran and understand it and respect it without taking a passage or a line from it and interpreting as a message that they should wage a war on everyone else. All Muslims follow the Quran as their wholly book, but not all of them have the same interpretation of how is says to live your life and that is the point you are not getting.

Are you basing what you know about Islam and its practices on what you have seen in Afghanistan? Because I think we have established that things there got pretty ****ed up due to a fanatic Muslim cell (taliban) and that is NOT an accurate representation of a faith practiced by over a billion people worldwide.

Have you actually met a Muslim that has referred to someone else and an Infidel???? It’s a catchphrase, besides clips of the taliban on T.V. and actors playing terrorists in movies and TV shows who the hell even uses this word?

Have you talked to a Muslim woman? Maybe one wearing a Hijab? Do you assume just because a woman is covering every part of her body except her face that she is doing it because she is forced into it? Next time you see a Muslim woman ask her if she is wearing the hijab by choice or because she is forced. Maybe if you took the time to understand some of the reasons and tradition that surround some of these practices toward women that you feel oppressive you might find they are not as bad as you think. I don't know if you go to school or live in Calgary, but it isn't hard to find Muslim women in their hijabs on any campus. Do they look oppressed to you, in a place of higher learning? Would a father trying to stifle his daughters freedom an rights allow her to attend place that inspires creativity and free thinking, and gives her the tools to make the most of her self? If you go to university and your school has a Muslim awareness week, like the two major Alberta universities do, stop by their booth and pick up a pamphlet. Talk to the person at the booth, you might learn something.

I'm not saying some women in Islam aren't oppressed and treated badly, because in some cases they are and it has been documented. But assuming that Islam as a whole disrespects women is stupid. Many sects of Islamic faith respect and revere women and treat them as sacred.

Open your eyes; there are a lot of great and positive things about Islam, just as there are about the Christian and Jewish faiths. Its up to you if you choose to see them

I will suggest you read these books:

The Myth of Islamic Tolerance: How Islamic Law Treats Non-Muslims and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam by Robert Spencer.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159...lance&n=283155

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/089...lance&n=283155

Comments on those books:

Western culture and Western values are under attack from the followers of an amoral fraudster, and Robert Spencer has both the spine and the facts to make this case compelling. He shows us how the Qur'an requires armed struggle (jihad) against infidels (that would be you and me), and that this feature of Islam is not peripheral, nor are they the beliefs of a fringe element. Killing infidels is a core value of Islam, and required by the Qur'an. The author shows us, in text boxes, the contrast between the teachings of Jesus (love, peace, respect) and Muhammad (hate, threats, lust). He shows how the Crusades were fundamentally defensive, and far from being a failure, may well have turned the tide in the Islamic conquest of Europe. Spencer shatters the "moral equivalence" approach to Islam, showing that it is incapable of tolerance and that it is dedicated to evangelism by the sword. The core motivation for Islamic violence is rooted in the Qur'an, and there is nothing that Islamic apologists can do to obscure that fact.

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"Robert Spencer has here assembled a collection of documents devastating to PC myth and multiculturalist wishful thinking. Anyone concerned about the dangers of politically motivated distortions of Islamic theology and history should not miss this explosive and enlightening volume."

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Replete with references as well as quotations and examples direct from former practising, learned Muslims, the claims that Islam is a "peaceful" and "tolerant" religion are examined in considerable depth for a book of this nature.

Many quotes are provided which reveal fundamental differences between the statements made by Jesus Christ and Muhammed. This is done with the declared intent of providing the reader with an opportunity to visualise what is cited as the "fallacy" of those who claim that Islam and Christianity are basically "equal" in their ability to inspire good or evil.

This statement is then elaborated and clarified by stating that it is the "divinely ordained duty" of Muslims to fight in the literal sense until man-made law has been "replaced by God's law". (The latter being described as Sharia and Islamic law).

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Muslims will not show you the verses in the Quran that speak of hate and violence like Surah 8:60-strike terror into their hearts,Surah 47:4-Smite the necks of the disbeleivers, Surah 4:89 Kill those who turn their backs to Islam. Surah 5:51-take not as friends Christians and Jews. These verses are not shown.

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THE MYTH OF ISLAMIC TOLERANCE brings to light the deeply ingrained historical, cultural, and religious elements of a profound modern crisis--the violence, fanaticism, and contempt for outsiders that characterizes much of the Islamic world today. This wide-ranging group of essays clearly explains how these poisonous attitudes are rooted in laws and cultural habits that are connected organically to the concept of jihad and its corollary institution, dhimmitude--which are in turn a primary impetus for global terrorism today. The scholars presented in this essential volume come up with many surprising and disturbing conclusions.

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A necessary corrective to the prevailing opinion fostered among academics by Karen Armstrong, Abou El Fadl, et al. that Islam is a religion of peace, justice, and tolerance. The work brings to light the total suppression of human rights in Islamic society, the true meaning of jihad (armed conflict against all nonbelievers), and the horrors of dhimmitude (life for Christians and Jews under Islamic law).


Did you know?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ima...283155&s=books

[@theCBE]

Ok so I'll read your books you can read mine

Qur'an and Woman

The Place of Tolerance in Islam

We could do this all day.. you find books that say Islam is bad I find ones that says its good.. You find quotes from the Qur'an that can be interpreted as negative I'll find ones that are positive.

You are missing my point. I never said Islam is perfect or all the people following it are either. My point is there are a lot of good things about Islam and not all muslim's, like you seem to suggest, hate all non-muslims and treat women as if they are beneath them.