[LOL] Coyotes release their STH seating chart for their 5000 person arena

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

LOL this will be smaller than many minor league rinks and the kicker is news today that the Coyotes won't even be allowed to have their logo on the ice.

ASU is going to have their logo at center ice even during Coyotes games! https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/05/coy...l-embarrassing

See how this stuff travels? From a bitter reporter with an axe to grind to USA today, TSN, etc etc.. this stuff is spun incorrectly in the ether.

This is what is getting old. It's not accurate reporting and spun with intent.

Move along..

With this said, Tempe/Coyotes get this #$% figured out or pull the plug

[nfotiu]

I was kind of surprised Arizona state even has a div 1 hockey team. I looked them up a bit, and they average a few hundred fans in this arena currently and their only tv coverage is a stream on their website:



How much money is even in the ASU hockey program? The Coyotes can't even throw a few thousand at ASU to get the ice like they want?

[getbak]

They have only been in Division 1 since 2015, but they've built a decent program in that time. They made the NCAA Tournament in 2019, which is quite difficult to do as an independent.

They have been playing in a tiny community rink that only holds about 1000 people. Their new arena will be high-quality for a college team and should really help them grow the program.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by BigRed

I will say, having seen a few Harvard games this year in a comparable arena, that it's a great experience as a fan. You feel like you're right inside the game. If I can make a Flames game down there next year I'll do it.

Not great for revenue though ...

I said the same thing. It would be pretty cool to watch an NHL game in that arena. Now it may get old to the home team or season ticket holders, but it would be a neat experience to see your team play an away game there.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

What's this got to do with anything? If you want to go down that road, the Athletic was losing in the ballpark of $50 million a year, and has gone on losing money at that rate since the Times took over. The same Times, by the way, that hired Walter Duranty and Jason Blair. I wouldn't set them up as a standard of infallibility.

So the Athletic is worth more than the coyotes lol

If, after 5 years, the coyotes are still in arizona and the athletic is gone then that would be a shame on both accounts

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

See how this stuff travels? From a bitter reporter with an axe to grind to USA today, TSN, etc etc.. this stuff is spun incorrectly in the ether.

This is what is getting old. It's not accurate reporting and spun with intent.

Move along..

With this said, Tempe/Coyotes get this #$% figured out or pull the plug

What aspect of the report is inaccurate?

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

See how this stuff travels? From a bitter reporter with an axe to grind to USA today, TSN, etc etc.. this stuff is spun incorrectly in the ether.

This is what is getting old. It's not accurate reporting and spun with intent.

Move along..

With this said, Tempe/Coyotes get this #$% figured out or pull the plug

You're the boots on the ground so if the internet is full of lies (which you are right about), you're our best source of truth of what's happening with these deals and the upcoming season!

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

What aspect of the report is inaccurate?

The narrative that the Coyotes are a joke because they won't have their logo at center ice

ps,


https://twitter.com/camcox12/status/...WsazeUtdD3_kzA

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Don't worry, nobody thinks they're a joke because of the logo at centre ice.

Everybody thought they were a joke a long time ago.

[Mr.Coffee]

What I can’t wrap my head around is the question about having open markets to false flag leverage cities into paying for new arenas vs. just promoting relocation to make more money. So it’s worth more to owners to have open alternative markets but then have losing markets like this one? Just doesn’t make much sense to me. Plus, you really only ever need one credible alternative city.

You’d think 31 owners would prefer this #### show gets moved so they stop leeching on the NHL.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

The narrative that the Coyotes are a joke because they won't have their logo at center ice

ps,


https://twitter.com/camcox12/status/...WsazeUtdD3_kzA

So based on that tweet, the reporting was correct.

The Coyotes are unable to modify the ice, including the removal of ASU logo at center ice.

that is correct. Sure, there has been an agreement to have both logos at center ice, but the coyotes cannot modify the ice for their broadcasts.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

What's this got to do with anything? If you want to go down that road, the Athletic was losing in the ballpark of $50 million a year, and has gone on losing money at that rate since the Times took over. The same Times, by the way, that hired Walter Duranty and Jason Blair. I wouldn't set them up as a standard of infallibility.

He said the Coyotes would be around in 5 years and the Athletic would not be. The Athletic has already cashed out.

I didn't just bring it up as an Athletic fanboy.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

What aspect of the report is inaccurate?

The report was that the Coyotes would not be allowed to have their logo at centre ice. That was inaccurate.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

What I can’t wrap my head around is the question about having open markets to false flag leverage cities into paying for new arenas vs. just promoting relocation to make more money. So it’s worth more to owners to have open alternative markets but then have losing markets like this one? Just doesn’t make much sense to me. Plus, you really only ever need one credible alternative city.

You’d think 31 owners would prefer this #### show gets moved so they stop leeching on the NHL.

You need one potential owner who is willing to buy the team at Seattle/LV prices and move it to to credible US city. I honestly don't think there is a single such person out there right now and as soon as there is, the Phoenix situation changes dramatically.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The report was that the Coyotes would not be allowed to have their logo at centre ice. That was inaccurate.

Depends on how you interpret it. If by 'center ice' you mean in the center, and as the central, and only, logo, then yes, it was accurate.

If you mean we are going to jam it in there, along with the Dun Devils' logo, then sure, inaccurate

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Depends on how you interpret it. If by 'center ice' you mean in the center, and as the central, and only, logo, then yes, it was accurate.

That's not a valid interpretation. If there are two logos at centre ice, they are both there and it is false to say that one of them is not there.

If you mean we are going to jam it in there, along with the Dun Devils' logo, then sure, inaccurate

Why do people think the ASU logo is going to remain exactly where and as it is? There's this wonderful new invention called ‘paint’. You all should Google it some time.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by getbak

Meruelo's sports gambling license in Arizona is tied to the Coyotes, so he can't keep the license and move or sell the team.

The way the Arizona law is written, only teams competing at the top-level of their sport qualify for the sports gambling license, so he wouldn't be able to transfer it to the Roadrunners if the Coyotes left the state and the Roadrunners stayed in Tucson.

What's the valuation of the license?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That's not a valid interpretation. If there are two logos at centre ice, they are both there and it is false to say that one of them is not there.



Why do people think the ASU logo is going to remain exactly where and as it is? There's this wonderful new invention called ‘paint’. You all should Google it some time.

Of course it's valid - if there are two, side by side, then neither are actually at center

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Of course it's valid - if there are two, side by side, then neither are actually at center

Neither are actually in the centre of the ice. Both are at centre ice.

If you reach any harder, you'll dislocate your shoulder.

The claim being made was that the Coyotes would not be allowed to have their logo on the ice AT ALL. That claim was false, and no amount of verbal gymnastics will save it.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

What's the valuation of the license?

I'm not sure.

This site tracks the revenue generated by legal sports gambling in each state: https://www.legalsportsreport.com/sp...tting/revenue/

The sites in Arizona only launched in September and it takes a few months for the numbers to be updated, so they don't have a lot of info for now.

From September to February, there was $2,798,609,786 wagered in Arizona, but of course, most of that is returned to the gamblers, so the revenue from this was $226,323,970, or 8.1%. Plus, $8,578,941 was paid to the state in taxes. Also, if you look at other states with longer-term data, those are generally the biggest months for sports gambling. There's typically a dip between the end of March Madness and the start of the NFL season.

Under Arizona law, a maximum of 20 operators will be licensed -- 10 to the existing casino operators, and 10 to "top level" professional sports organizations that operate in the state. So far, only 8 pro sports organizations have been licensed: the Cardinals, Suns, D-Backs, Coyotes, Rattlers (AFL), Mercury (WNBA), NASCAR, and TPC Scottsdale (PGA/Phoenix Open).