As an Albertan, would you EVER support seperation from Canada? - Page 7 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Resolute 14 · 12-09-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakan

Are you for real? Seriously, do you actually believe this?

Sorry, I don't think this discussion can continue as we are obviously on two completely different planes here.

What exactly do we have to thank Canada for, really? What has it done that has led to us becomming the envy, and at times enemy, of the rest of Canada?

Hakan · 12-09-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeeye

What exactly do we have to thank Canada for, really? What has it done that has led to us becomming the envy, and at times enemy, of the rest of Canada?

Do you check to see if your phone is bugged every morning? Seriously man. If you can't think of the innumerable ways that being part of confederation has helped this province then well...

You don't operate heavy machinery or have a firearm license do you?

Zarathustra · 12-09-2005, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Zarathustra - you really need to look up the meaning of the words you are using.

How exactly is misspelling one word an irony when it comes to talking about separation?

Also, how is it hypocritical for a person to support seperation if elections continue to go against them? It would be hypocritical to argue that Canada is divisible, but that the province that wishes to divide is not.

I've also noticed that you are very liberal with negative stereotypes and attacks. You are quite the little bigot, arent you?

Are you serious? You don't see the irony in misspelling a word that you are desperately fighting for?

DementedReality · 12-09-2005, 06:56 PM

personally, i am not willing to risk sacrificing my son, daughter, nephews, nieces and other friends and families lives to fight the physical battle that would be neccesary to achieve seperation.

you think it is as simple as voting and then the next day new lines are drawn on the map? seperation will cost the lives of our loved ones and frankly the cost is not worth the achievment.

Resolute 14 · 12-09-2005, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakan

Do you check to see if your phone is bugged every morning? Seriously man. If you can't think of the innumerable ways that being part of confederation has helped this province then well...

You don't operate heavy machinery or have a firearm license do you?

I have noticed that you cant think of the innumerable ways that being part of Canada has helped this province.

And no, I do not operate heavy machinery, nor do I have a firearm licence. But nice attempt at stereotyping.

Hakan · 12-09-2005, 07:02 PM

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I have noticed that you cant think of the innumerable ways that being part of Canada has helped this province.

Listing them only cheapens this thread further and besides it's really not worth my time considering the mental state you're in, it would do no good.

Resolute 14 · 12-09-2005, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Are you serious? You don't see the irony in misspelling a word that you are desperately fighting for?

No, I dont. Perhaps you, and your obviously superior intellect, can explain to me how having less than perfect spelling is ironic in a debate about independence?

The irony I am seeing here is a person making such a big deal about spelling showing he has little understanding of the language he is trying to use.

RougeUnderoos · 12-09-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeeye

There are lots of nations that want oil, and not at the ridiculously stupid $5 a barrel suggestion. Alberta could thrive beyond Canada's wildest dreams if it managed it's resources well.

Sure there are lots of nations that want oil but those nations are, as they say, on the other side of the ocean, and we have no access to them without Canada and/or the United States selling that access to us at whatever price they deem appropriate.The price of Alberta's oil will be decided in Washington and Ottawa, not in Edmonton or Calgary. They would have us by the balls.

Resolute 14 · 12-09-2005, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakan

Listing them only cheapens this thread further and besides it's really not worth my time considering the mental state you're in, it would do no good.

Nice cop out.

I'll be nice and let you exit gracefully. Have a good day.

Resolute 14 · 12-09-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Sure there are lots of nations that want oil but those nations are, as they say, on the other side of the ocean, and we have no access to them without Canada and/or the United States selling that access to us at whatever price they deem appropriate.The price of Alberta's oil will be decided in Washington and Ottawa, not in Edmonton or Calgary. They would have us by the balls.

If you think so.

Canada and the United States are oil dependant nations. There are obvious benefits to both sides to be fair, and there are obvious pitfalls to both sides to be petty or vindictive.

Of course, all of this angst can be nullified by renegotiating a fairer confederation.

Zarathustra · 12-09-2005, 07:13 PM

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ken0042 · 12-09-2005, 07:14 PM

Here's a question for everybody wanting seperation; how much are you willing to spend of your own money to get it?

I ask because the federal debt is around $500 Billion, making our share about $16,600 each. Or around $66 Billion for the province.

That also doesn't include the value of Federal Canadian Infastructure that exists in the province; roads, buildings, etc.

I'm not saying my arguement is the "final answer", but there are a few things to consider.

Zarathustra · 12-09-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeeye

No, I dont. Perhaps you, and your obvious superior intellect, can explain to me how having less than perfect spelling is ironic in a debate about independence?

The irony I am seeing here is a person making such a big deal about spelling showing he has little understanding of the language he is trying to use.

I just thought I should highlight this section for humour.

I pointed out your little mistake once and then gave my points about the topic, but you completely avoided my points and continued to ramble on about irony which was plainly simple to everybody but yourself.

Why bother. Conversating with you is much like trying to teach a 5 year old astrophysics. Just a waste of time.

Resolute 14 · 12-09-2005, 07:15 PM

Ahh yes, more sophomoric insults.

You argue your points so well.

FlamesAddiction · 12-09-2005, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Of course, all of this angst can be nullified by renegotiating a fairer confederation.

No THAT, I think is a valid notion.

Sounds like a reasonable thing to go after. I think it is achievable, and at not nearly the cost that separation for either Alberta or Quebec would entail.

Resolute 14 · 12-09-2005, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ken0042

Here's a question for everybody wanting seperation; how much are you willing to spend of your own money to get it?

I ask because the federal debt is around $500 Billion, making our share about $16,600 each. Or around $66 Billion for the province.

That also doesn't include the value of Federal Canadian Infastructure that exists in the province; roads, buildings, etc.

I'm not saying my arguement is the "final answer", but there are a few things to consider.

I would love to see a calculation of how much of that debt is our responsibility. Certantly would help me with the "what does Canada give us?" question.

How much money have we given out to this nation over the past several decades? Wasnt it something like $200 billion?

The debt that exists is the other way around.

Hakan · 12-09-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Nice cop out.

I'll be nice and let you exit gracefully. Have a good day.

My god this is ridiculous. Seriously man. Give your head a shake.

A stable currency, international credit, pushing the natives off the land via treaty 2-7, investment, railroads, highways, security/military, weather stations, free trade within the dominion (which was huge), banking, federal loans when Alberta was a terribly poor province just to name a few right off the top of my head.

Zarathustra · 12-09-2005, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakeeye

I saw your post before you deleted it, and I am still waiting on you to show the irony.

And the same, finished post is right above yours. I accidentally pressed submit before finishing the post.

If you don't understand how a situation in which a person spells an event in which they think they know so much of incorrectly, you will never understand.

Resolute 14 · 12-09-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No THAT, I think is a valid notion.

Sounds like a reasonable thing to go after. I think it is achievable, and at not nearly the cost that separation for either Alberta or Quebec would entail.

That is my argument in a nutshell, though it has been obscured by the sophomoric kids who feel it is more important to harp on spelling.

Separation is a final resort in an unsolvable situation. But, the threat has to be credible, because it is the only way that we can reasonably expect to produce change.

I am not arguing for independence at all costs, but I am also not willing to simply accept the status quo. Nor am I arguing for Alberta to have more power than is fair. However, Canada as a whole needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, and we need need to be willing to push Canada for those needed changes.

FlamesAddiction · 12-09-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakan

My god this is ridiculous. Seriously man. Give your head a shake.

A stable currency, international credit, pushing the natives off the land via treaty 2-7, investment, railroads, highways, security/military, weather stations, free trade within the dominion (which was huge), banking, federal loans when Alberta was a terribly poor province just to name a few right off the top of my head.

Not to mention: People!!

Most Albertan are decendents of, or are in fact; people from other parts of Canada.