Joe Rogan cancellation watch

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I think we can all remember back to how balanced Fox News was before cancel culture and woke were even terms used by anyone.

Why is it so hard to believe that a great many of us dislike coercive conformity from any source?

I think it’s pretty safe to assume people like Noam Chomsky, Malcolm Gladwell, Salman Rushdie, and Margaret Atwood aren’t big fans of Fox.

https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-just...d-open-debate/

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Cole436

You’re strawmaning right now. I asked a very fair question,

I could literally say the exact same thing to you

Originally Posted by Cole436

This isn’t a discussion on Bill Burr and this is about a lot more than Joe saying the N word.

This isn't a discussion about Michael Richards either, why does your question carry more weight than mine?

You're the one that brought up the N-word stuff, that's all we were talking about

Originally Posted by Cole436

Just because you are a comedian does not make you exempt from causing harm.

Sure, but why then does that mean the person needs to be 'canceled'? (Hate that term but oh well) If a comedian says stuff I don't like or don't find funny, then I'm not going to their shows. If enough people feel the same way, that person's career is toast. Like Michael Richards

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I don't know how you fix it, but it is a massive problem. And as you say, it has always existed as fringe pamphlets and stuff like that, but now it is able to spread to anyone instantly. The game has changed, and we need laws to keep up with that if we want to maintain our democracy.

Fortunately for you the Liberals are all too eager to step up and put into place measures that will allow them to decide who can disseminate information and what can and can't be posted online. They will make sure that the people of Canada are getting a clean source of news.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

To be honest - besides people grasping on to cancel culture as a thing - not even sure why anyone thinks this is new.

People complaining about comedians crossing the line is not new. Andrew Dice Clay, Eddie Murphy, Lenny Bruce, etc, etc.

It’s not new. It is getting worse, though. Because now it’s coming from both conservatives and progressives. And society is so polarized that people and institutions feel they have to take a side, and hold back from challenging the most extreme zealots in their own team rather than risk the damage to their reputation of being regarded as sympathetic to the other side.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Hate to break it to you - but this isn't new. Satanic panic in the 70s/80s. Evil rap music in 80s/90s. Violent video games in 90s/2000s.

This is absolutely true, it's just that it used to be the right wing who were doing this stuff and the left, especially since the late 60's, were heavily anti-conformity. It all sort of flipped in the early 2010s... Biggest political disappointment of my life to discover that this sort of behaviour wasn't confined to religious conservatives but is in fact endemic to all of us imperfectly evolved simians.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This is absolutely true, it's just that it used to be the right wing who were doing this stuff and the left, especially since the late 60's, were heavily anti-conformity. It all sort of flipped in the early 2010s... Biggest political disappointment of my life to discover that this sort of behaviour wasn't confined to religious conservatives but is in fact endemic to all of us imperfectly evolved simians.

That is what always makes me laugh about the term woke and cancel culture, the right has always been doing it and only created the terms and the outrage machine when the left did it as well.

Cancel culture has always been around, one side is just pissy another is doing it back.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I could literally say the exact same thing to you



This isn't a discussion about Michael Richards either, why does your question carry more weight than mine?

You're the one that brought up the N-word stuff, that's all we were talking about



Sure, but why then does that mean the person needs to be 'canceled'? (Hate that term but oh well) If a comedian says stuff I don't like or don't find funny, then I'm not going to their shows. If enough people feel the same way, that person's career is toast. Like Michael Richards

My question about Michael Richard’s was relevant because you’ve dug your heels into the position that anything comedians say shouldn’t be held against them because of “comedy”.

The Bill Burr question isn’t relevant to this discussion because I’ve reiterated quite a few times that this is a much larger discussion than a white comedian saying the n word. It’s about a person who has been propped up to a very influential position in our world and is causing significant harm through misinformation while also having a history of very ####ty behaviour.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Cole436

My question about Michael Richard’s was relevant because you’ve dug your heels into the position that anything comedians say shouldn’t be held against them because of “comedy”.

The Bill Burr question isn’t relevant to this discussion because I’ve reiterated quite a few times that this is a much larger discussion than a white comedian saying the n word. It’s about a person who has been propped up to a very influential position in our world and is causing significant harm through misinformation while also having a history of very ####ty behaviour.

My questions actually happened though, yours is a made-up hypothetical

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Fortunately for you the Liberals are all too eager to step up and put into place measures that will allow them to decide who can disseminate information and what can and can't be posted online. They will make sure that the people of Canada are getting a clean source of news.

Ya, and I'm aware of that bill. It's flawed, but I get the need for it as well.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Cancel culture has always been around, one side is just pissy another is doing it back.

This take essentially proves the point about the level of entrenchment we're experiencing being higher than it used to be, though... For some of us, the fact that the left, by and large, didn't do this sort of #### was the primary thing that caused us to be left-wing in the first pace.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This is absolutely true, it's just that it used to be the right wing who were doing this stuff and the left, especially since the late 60's, were heavily anti-conformity. It all sort of flipped in the early 2010s... Biggest political disappointment of my life to discover that this sort of behaviour wasn't confined to religious conservatives but is in fact endemic to all of us imperfectly evolved simians.

This has never been the case. Persecution is a common cultural practice as old as time. The only difference now is that lor of folks identify with the people being persecuted, and this is the first time that has happened. In Canada alone Settler society tried to "cancel" Indigenous Languages and cultural practices. Until 1970s and later in some cases Canadians were trying to "cancel" homosexuality.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yes, I get that, it's just that in western society there has never really been a time where the moral authority wasn't also the religious authority... until now. So younger, naive, University-going me had deluded himself into thinking that those religious strictures were the root source of the problem. As it turns out, human nature is the root source of religious strictures.

Which of course makes perfect sense, in hindsght. It's just depressing.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

1990s - The internet will bring us together

2010s - The internet has only separated us

2020s - Pandemic Bomb

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yes, I get that, it's just that in western society there has never really been a time where the moral authority wasn't also the religious authority... until now. So younger, naive, University-going me had deluded himself into thinking that those religious strictures were the root source of the problem. As it turns out, human nature is the root source of religious strictures.

Which of course makes perfect sense, in hindsght. It's just depressing.

This isn't correct either. Extremists on either side have always been authoritarian in nature. The left/right paradigms aren't even all that different than they were 50 years ago. It's an insane cycle of repetition.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

So younger, naive, University-going me had deluded himself into thinking that those religious strictures were the root source of the problem. As it turns out, human nature is the root source of religious strictures.

It’s no coincidence that progressive activism is highest among demographics with the lowest level of conventional religious observance. It serves much the same social and psychological function.

[White Out 403]

the rogan controversy is done. Everyones focusing on the use of the N word and not him saying black parts of town were the planet of the apes and black people have different brains.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by btimbit

My questions actually happened though, yours is a made-up hypothetical

This is a bad faith discussion and I’m done with it. Again this has nothing to do with the N word and the fact you zeroed in on it and ignored everything else is telling.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by blankall

This isn't correct either. Extremists on either side have always been authoritarian in nature. The left/right paradigms aren't even all that different than they were 50 years ago. It's an insane cycle of repetition.

The religious right was entirely mainstream for pretty much my entire life - they weren't extremists by any reasonable definition even though there were obviously extremists among them. Nor are the people expressing this authoritarian impulse on the right nowadays. The "woke" element on the left is totally mainstream at this point as well, even though it's mainly concentrated among the upper middle class and above.

[81MC]

Originally Posted by corsihockeyleague

this take essentially proves the point about the level of entrenchment we're experiencing being higher than it used to be, though... For some of us, the fact that the left, by and large, didn't do this sort of #### was the primary thing that caused us to be left-wing in the first pace.

x1000

[blankall]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

the rogan controversy is done. Everyones focusing on the use of the N word and not him saying black parts of town were the planet of the apes and black people have different brains.

The black people with different brains part is very troubling to me. It suggests he has an honest belief that people with different skin colour somehow function a different mental level. That is very deep seeded racism.