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[Bingo]

Pro Move:
- Core is very changed
- Team is out of middle ground (sink or swim)

Con Move:
- Eichel health
- Will hate the next few drafts without picks

[Skaloper]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Actually though, I’m super in to this now

Lucic
Zadorov
Valimaki
Pelletier
22/23/24/25 firsts (22 and 23 lottery protected, if Flames win lottery then Buf gets that year’s second plus the next year’s second)

For

Eichel
22/23/24/25 7ths (need to keep pick total)

Do it do it do it

Would prefer to give up the 26 first instead of valimaki if Buffalo would be cool with that

No team gives up that many firsts, especially for an injured player As much as we're in a bind salary cap wise Buffalo also is having a player who doesn't want to play for their team given they won't allow him to have surgery

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I am probably in a huge minority here… but is anyone else worried about giving up a crapload of assets for an injured player and a risk of chemistry which may not work well here?

Everyone should be to some degree. I think Eichel will fetch less / more conditional value than most here for that reason. I’m usually wrong.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Skaloper

As much as we're in a bind salary cap wise Buffalo also is having a player who doesn't want to play for their team given they won't allow him to have surgery

Buffalo is also in a bit of a cap bind, for the opposite reason. They need to take on salary to stay above the floor without Eichel.

[Heavy Jack]

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
· 25m
With all the #VegasBorn chatter of late regarding Jack Eichel: Knights GM Kelly McCrimmon is on the list for tonight's DET/TOR game, though I haven't seen him up here yet. The Knights are already in Toronto ahead of their game Tuesday night.

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
·
19m
Vegas remains very much engaged in talks with BUF and as many have reported, there's been a lot of traction towards a deal. One area still to be figured out, the dollars matching up (and how does that look if Eichel can't play post-surgery).

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Pro Move:
- Core is very changed
- Team is out of middle ground (sink or swim)

Con Move:
- Eichel health
- Will hate the next few drafts without picks

Flames didn't have a 1st, and traded away two seconds in 2015.

Still came out of it with Mangiapane (top line forward), Kylington (top two pair D), and ANdersson (top two pair D).

2016, Flames get Dube (top two line fwd) and Fox (Norris winner) in rounds 2 and 3. And I still see an NHLer in Phillips, personally.

I believe in the Flames' amateur scouts' ability to fill out their roster later in the draft. If anything, it's been the best part of the organization even dating back to the later Darryl Sutter years (Giordano, Backlund, Brodie, Ferland), the Feaster years (Gaudreau and Kulak, and IIRC Hathaway as an undrafted UFA)

Just not gonna find a piece at that centre position the calibre of Eichel, which requires tanking almost every time barring a situation like this. This isn't the Hamonic trade, which was a poor move the day it was executed. This is Jack freakin' Eichel. It will be very easy to swallow those drafts unless the names Shane Wright or Connor Bedard are attached to the Flames' former pick.

[djsFlames]

Pro: Upside to contend is there. Coach, 1C and goalie are in place. Treliving can just worry about what he does best - tinkering.

Con: Season until Eichel arrives gets harder, concern of health until he is back and playing like normal. Dealing with that uncertainty.

But pro:.. Excitement here around what the team looks like in 4 months.

And ohh pro: Mountain of oiler salt and envy should we come out on top without having to butcher the roster.

But also pro: Sportsnet scales back their McLovefest and also recognize Eichel as a formidable talent playing in Alberta, lending to more Oiler salt.

I think I'm going with team "pro" here.

[FanIn80]

See here's my thing. This team, not very long ago, won the Conference and was the second-best team in the league. Did we get man-handled in the playoffs? Yes, but the best team in the league was manhandled even worse than we were.

What's happened since then? A forced coach firing with a somewhat-understandable temporary replacement; an iffy off-season decision to make the temporary replacement a permanent one; two incredibly weird seasons that, as far as I'm concerned, don't even really count as real seasons.... and so now, here we are with an honest-to-God, real-life, actual NHL head coach, and we're back in second place in the entire league again.

I'm starting to wonder if this really is the actual Flames, and the versions of them between 18-19 and this season were the anomalies. I mean even without any real coaching during those seasons, there were still flashes of the 18-19 and 21-22 teams here and there.

I was livid at our off season this year, but the way Sutter has these guys playing... I dunno, I'm just saying I'm now willing to find out if this (and the 18-19) team is what they're supposed to be like when they're all on the same page.

Edit: I'm also of the opinion that this team does not get out-coached and/or embarrassed in the playoffs with Sutter at the helm.

[Khel]

I just can't get on board with selling the farm for Eichel. The concern on how he returns from this injury is very real, and selling the assets like Zary or more so Cornanto doesn't seem wise.

I'd rather have the depth, and would prefer to see something like one or two firsts instead of prospects already drafted.


With the uncertainty of Johnny returning, and Tkachuk regressing, selling assets could mean we could be stuck with Eichel and no one for him to give the puck to.

Just my thoughts.

[ComixZone]

Even if this 5 game win streak has convinced you that the last 2 years mean nothing - you can still look at the fact that we have a 6.375M 4th line centre and a 5.25M 4th line LW.

Imagine that cap space being spent on an elite #1 centre instead.

Assuming the deal is Monahan + Zadarov or Lucic + 1st + 1st + Zary + Pelletier, the subtraction from the active roster is insignificant next to the power of Eichel.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Khel

I just can't get on board with selling the farm for Eichel. The concern on how he returns from this injury is very real, and selling the assets like Zary or more so Cornanto doesn't seem wise.

I'd rather have the depth, and would prefer to see something like one or two firsts instead of prospects already drafted.


With the uncertainty of Johnny returning, and Tkachuk regressing, selling assets could mean we could be stuck with Eichel and no one for him to give the puck to.

Just my thoughts.

Boo this man!

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Even if this 5 game win streak has convinced you that the last 2 years mean nothing - you can still look at the fact that we have a 6.375M 4th line centre and a 5.25M 4th line LW.

Imagine that cap space being spent on an elite #1 centre instead.

Assuming the deal is Monahan + Zadarov or Lucic + 1st + 1st + Zary + Pelletier, the subtraction from the active roster is insignificant next to the power of Eichel.

It may just be for this year before some shuffling, but our top 6 with either of the one deals would be just ridiculous. Combined with Sutter and Markstrom this team would be unreal.

[Khel]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Boo this man!

Haha, if it were a healthy Eichel who just wanted out of Buffalo, I'd be all over it!

I just don't want quick satisfaction for another 5 years of pain!

[1_Flames_Fan]

Please someone just trade for this #####in' guy and end the madness!

[FusionX]

Tkachuk for Tarasenko (2.5 retained), Kyrou

Monahan, Dube, Valimaki, 2022 1st for Eichel
Edit: May need more... I'd add Pelletier to that trade

Gaudreau - Eichel - Tarasenko
Mangiapane - Lindholm - Kyrou
Pitlick - Backlund - Coleman
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis
Ritchie

Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Zadorov - Gudbranson
Mackey - Stone

Markstrom
Vladar

While Eichel is out, slot Lindholm on the first line, Kyrou into the middle on the second, plug someone else into that RW spot.

Over the summer, I had wondered if something similar to this could work but at that time, it was a more lucractive return for Tkachuk but a more expensive price to give to Buffalo so actually ends up fairly similar.

Not sure about the actual transaction times but cap works I think.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

Whichever way this goes this place is going to meltdown when it does.

Oh I am sure the Debbie Downers will be out in full force no matter what.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1454561872607383558

Apparently I'm blocked by Weekes. Can't imagine why!

[Roughneck]

When I see the packages being thrown around, be it Vegas or the Flames or whoever else, all I can think is that it’s destined to be a trade that both teams lose, but the Sabres can recover quicker from.

I’m just unconvinced by Eichel. A $10M player with only two seasons with more than 70 games and who is currently awaiting back surgery is such a big red flag to me I can’t possibly get excited about a potential trade.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1454607679125540864

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Yoho

No I’m excited for once we are not trading from a position of weakness.

Most of these trade proposals sure don’t reflect that. They reek of desperation.