Drivers who are going 70 at the point of merging after long ass on-ramps onto Deerfoot need to have their licenses taken away.
When I come to power, vehicles will be fitted with bombs just like the movie speed. GPS activated when you enter Deerfoot. Speed drops below 90, boom, you're gone
Speaking of the 17 Ave interchange, it's interesting to note that both loop ramps are being eliminated and the interchange will be worse. This is to make way for braided ramps which eliminate the nasty weaves in both directions between Memorial and 17 Ave. Looking at the map, I can't figure out exactly why the northbound to westbound ramp needs to be deleted. Overall this is a win as Deerfoot flow is more important than 17 Ave, and thankfully we have money for braids on both sides in phase 1. This design is not final, so there's a chance the loop stays.
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Everyone will be getting a little bit of help but the money is heavily skewed to the south, mostly for twinning Ivor Strong and other bridges at Southland, Bow Bottom and Glenmore. Money is like 85% for the south.
Thanks for the link Acey! Looks like the usual suspects seen in the last few Alberta P3 road projects for the bidder groups. Good luck to them - the timelines sounded unpleasant.
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It's probably silly for myriad reasons (like $$), but I've often wondered if we wouldn't be better off adding a brand new N-S toll freeway with a dedicated ROW into downtown (between 9 and 11 Ave SE)...instead of the expense and looooong headaches of putting lipstick on Deerfoot.
North would follow the CP tracks across the Bow River and then Nose Creek up to Airport Trail (with an entrance and exit at 16th Ave). A lot of the length could be surface level. You could theoretically add a rail-line for regional passenger rail, too, but in the mean time an express bus for the airport would be plenty nice.
South could follow green-line ROW for the most part, and in my sim-city fantasy it would be built to include BRT stations instead of rail. A 4 lane freeway wouldn't be that much wider than the green line, so the scope and elevated segements wouldn't be that different (though to achieve 100kph it might be tough). Obviously integrating pedestrian-friendly transit with a free-way would be the challenge, but I don't think current Green-line design will be very effective, anyways.
It's probably silly for myriad reasons (like $$), but I've often wondered if we wouldn't be better off adding a brand new N-S toll freeway with a dedicated ROW into downtown (between 9 and 11 Ave SE)...instead of the expense and looooong headaches of putting lipstick on Deerfoot.
North would follow the CP tracks across the Bow River and then Nose Creek up to Airport Trail (with an entrance and exit at 16th Ave). A lot of the length could be surface level. You could theoretically add a rail-line for regional passenger rail, too, but in the mean time an express bus for the airport would be plenty nice.
South could follow green-line ROW for the most part, and in my sim-city fantasy it would be built to include BRT stations instead of rail. A 4 lane freeway wouldn't be that much wider than the green line, so the scope and elevated segements wouldn't be that different (though to achieve 100kph it might be tough). Obviously integrating pedestrian-friendly transit with a free-way would be the challenge, but I don't think current Green-line design will be very effective, anyways.
This is a horrible idea. Please never speak of it again.
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Yeah that's just horri-bad, and would just run into so many NIMBY issues you just wouldn't even spend any brain power thinking about it. The most we could hope for is an HOV/toll lane up the Deerfoot median, which was analyzed during the study. There's just no shot you're building an elevated inner-city freeway in 2021. No shot.
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When I come to power, vehicles will be fitted with bombs just like the movie speed. GPS activated when you enter Deerfoot. Speed drops below 90, boom, you're gone
I’m just hoping you’re on the ballot when I go vote on Monday!
It's probably silly for myriad reasons (like $$), but I've often wondered if we wouldn't be better off adding a brand new N-S toll freeway with a dedicated ROW into downtown (between 9 and 11 Ave SE)...instead of the expense and looooong headaches of putting lipstick on Deerfoot.
North would follow the CP tracks across the Bow River and then Nose Creek up to Airport Trail (with an entrance and exit at 16th Ave). A lot of the length could be surface level. You could theoretically add a rail-line for regional passenger rail, too, but in the mean time an express bus for the airport would be plenty nice.
South could follow green-line ROW for the most part, and in my sim-city fantasy it would be built to include BRT stations instead of rail. A 4 lane freeway wouldn't be that much wider than the green line, so the scope and elevated segements wouldn't be that different (though to achieve 100kph it might be tough). Obviously integrating pedestrian-friendly transit with a free-way would be the challenge, but I don't think current Green-line design will be very effective, anyways.
It's probably silly for myriad reasons (like $$), but I've often wondered if we wouldn't be better off adding a brand new N-S toll freeway with a dedicated ROW into downtown (between 9 and 11 Ave SE)...instead of the expense and looooong headaches of putting lipstick on Deerfoot.
North would follow the CP tracks across the Bow River and then Nose Creek up to Airport Trail (with an entrance and exit at 16th Ave). A lot of the length could be surface level. You could theoretically add a rail-line for regional passenger rail, too, but in the mean time an express bus for the airport would be plenty nice.
South could follow green-line ROW for the most part, and in my sim-city fantasy it would be built to include BRT stations instead of rail. A 4 lane freeway wouldn't be that much wider than the green line, so the scope and elevated segements wouldn't be that different (though to achieve 100kph it might be tough). Obviously integrating pedestrian-friendly transit with a free-way would be the challenge, but I don't think current Green-line design will be very effective, anyways.
Money is the least of the problems with this post. Please don't bring us back into the 1950s era of Calgary planning which had insane ideas like moving the train tracks to the river and building a highway through the middle of downtown.
Car-focused planning was the death knell of North American cities. Roads, individuals in cars, and parking lots are the least efficient and most desolate use of space.
Cities like Vancouver and Seattle are just now ripping out their elevated concrete highways from the 60s as they realized they acted like giant Berlin walls separating halves of their cities and created desolate places of crime and poverty beneath them.
For a microcosm of that, look at what's happening to the Victoria Park station being moved to grade instead of the original design that created a concrete mess of bridges, ramps, and isolation because the priority then was moving as many cars as possible down MacLeod.
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The single greatest decision Calgary ever made was not building The Penetrator(great name, BTW). Imagine how it would have destroyed that section of downtown. Powderjunkie's idea reminded me of that type of thinking.
The single greatest decision Calgary ever made was not building The Penetrator(great name, BTW). Imagine how it would have destroyed that section of downtown. Powderjunkie's idea reminded me of that type of thinking.
What about moving new high capacity roads to tunnels? Buy one tunnel boring machine, and just keep operating it. Use it for the green line, other ctrain lines, and also for a downtown express toll road.
Plus we could call it the "Penetrator Down Below."
The ground under downtown isn't really great for tunneling. They are also incredibly expensive. I don't think just buying a machine then means cheap tunnels everywhere.
The ground under downtown isn't really great for tunneling. They are also incredibly expensive. I don't think just buying a machine then means cheap tunnels everywhere.
The main controversy over the greenline has been tunnelling and the costs which are like 10-20 times the cost of trenching. Even the airport tunnel has been a ton of drama and arguing over cost. The greenline tunnel under the river has been completely scrapped now.
The city is currently embroiled in expensive underground utility mapping and surveying projects to even embark on the greenline build along 11th avenue.
The only reason the C-Train tunnels exist past City Hall is planning in the 70s which ensured no utilities were placed there. Tunnelling under Stephen Ave and other things have cropped up over the years but it would be an incredible expense to ensure it's done safely and to relocate all the gas, water, electrical mains and the web of complexities under most of downtown.
There are still underground tunnels and an unused station under City Hall.
The single greatest decision Calgary ever made was not building The Penetrator(great name, BTW). Imagine how it would have destroyed that section of downtown. Powderjunkie's idea reminded me of that type of thinking.
Ideally a proper TCH bypass will be built in the future going along 22X from the east, to the southern portion of the ring road up to COP/16th in the NW.
For a microcosm of that, look at what's happening to the Victoria Park station being moved to grade instead of the original design that created a concrete mess of bridges, ramps, and isolation because the priority then was moving as many cars as possible down MacLeod.
I don't think moving cars down Macleod Trail figured into anything. The stations were simply designed as was the thinking at the time.
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