[News] UPD: Aug 4 released renderings of Event Centre in OP (+ new ext. renders in post #704)

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

For the guys above (oldschool, Mass_) or anyone who might know, I'm curious who makes certain design changes (specifically improvements) along the way (and, though I expect it's entirely specific to the project, why).

Looking at the Calgary Library here: https://competitions.org/2014/12/2014-12-22-23-36-52/

vs. the end result of the library, I noticed that the hexagonal facade was carried around the entire building in the end, wherein the render the south-facing side of the building doesn't have it and there is a more "standard" looking window treatment above the arch on the west side. There are also some other minor changes throughout,

I know this doesn't have a lot to do with the arena, I just know this render isn't going to be exactly what it looks like. And I know what happens when it goes the opposite way (where the render looks great while the building turns out like crap), but I'm curious how the library actually turned out better (in my opinion, obviously).

It's the dreaded 'Value Engineering' phase of the project...Value De-Engineering we often call it.

Designs are great, until you start getting the cost estimates...if you are overbudget, you have to figure out what's important to keep and what you can lose.

for the library, they keep things like the massing, the 'public porch', the wood soffit and that amazing interior central volume.... but they cut out curtain wall glazing while keep the overall form... they keep the wood core but stripped out finishes in the stacks area.

like buying a car, you pick the things that are most important to the 'legibility' of the project...what gives you the most bang for the buck...I think that the team made good choices here especially for a public building.

the marda loop project...well, let's just say the developer's proforma drove decisions...if you look hard enough, you can see they were trying to save the 'idea' however the decisions undoubtedly were driven through maximizing profits instead of public realm

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

It's the dreaded 'Value Engineering' phase of the project...Value De-Engineering we often call it.

Designs are great, until you start getting the cost estimates...if you are overbudget, you have to figure out what's important to keep and what you can lose.

for the library, they keep things like the massing, the 'public porch', the wood soffit and that amazing interior central volume.... but they cut out curtain wall glazing while keep the overall form... they keep the wood core but stripped out finishes in the stacks area.

like buying a car, you pick the things that are most important to the 'legibility' of the project...what gives you the most bang for the buck...I think that the team made good choices here especially for a public building.

the marda loop project...well, let's just say the developer's proforma drove decisions...if you look hard enough, you can see they were trying to save the 'idea' however the decisions undoubtedly were driven through maximizing profits instead of public realm

Additionally, the availability of products is really having a negative effect on projects in my experience. Time frames are just silly.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Additionally, the availability of products is really having a negative effect on projects in my experience. Time frames are just silly.

yeah, right now things are nuts for steel and lead times...

not sure how it will affect this project, but if they are going to submit for DP application as noted, there 'should' have a good idea of the public realm and overall size/scale/materials of the exterior...

you can of course change that if you have too, but it may trigger a DP partial recirculation...

[Hangman]

And the name is The Real Canadian Event Centre. 😁

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Locke

Oh thank God.

If you dont like it then the finished product should be amazing.

Quality contribution as usual, Locke. Thankfully we have you around here to ensure the posting standards stay low.

[Hack&Lube]

Rendering vs Reality hit Edmonton pretty hard after the value-engineering got installed

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Rendering vs Reality hit Edmonton pretty hard after the value-engineering got installed

Needs the rendering of the exterior version that was actually built in there too. Didn’t look quite as good, but still didn’t look like a tank.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I would have liked to have seen some indigenous design elements --- to make it architecturally unique. (Including FN designers of course). Missed opportunity.

[Chingas]

Looks like a Lineup to get in the door. Hopefully that is improved over the dome.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Muta

Quality contribution as usual, Locke. Thankfully we have you around here to ensure the posting standards stay low.

Hah! Remember when you said CalgaryNEXT was going to be awesome?

You saw the plans! You had inside information! It was going to be amazing!

And then you were spectacularly wrong?

If all I do is prevent people from believing your BS then I am actually making a positive contribution.

Which is more than you can say.

I may be a joker....but I'm honest.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by AC

Here's 2 earlier renders / angles:



Not sure what changed, if anything.

It will depend on the finishes and materials. If this was brick/concrete it would fit right in with a 70s brutalist architecture failure that should be knocked down before it was built. It looks like something that fits into the Stampede grounds of today, in the vein of the monstrous Grandstand and Big 4 buildings.

The shape overall is extremely uninspiring. It looks like a big solid U or a fat tug boat with no flow and lacks the brightness and transparency of modern architecture. What will it be called? The Horse Shoe Dome? Whoever chose the renders including the new official one chose lighting that makes it look dark and oppressive. Dialog is good on execution but local shops have never been great designers.

I think we all have a right to be disappointed. Taste is personal but by the time all is said and done we will all have contributed our personal tax dollars into this.

[getbak]

Council has approved all of the changes. The project is back on track.


PUCK DROP 2024!!!

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I remember when the SkyDome was considered sleek, bold and futuristic and ahead of its time.

Futuristic doesn't age well, this is still sleek, simple, and doesn't look like a white elephant 10 years from now.

The SkyDome is the second most iconic part of Toronto's skyline (or at least it was, until condos went up in front of it), and it looks good doing it. I'd easily take the SkyDome over this.

[Hack&Lube]

All the transparency and brightness and swooping features of this design are sadly gone. It looks like a dark brutalist structure to me now, or one of those horrid 1970s mega churches.

[memphusk]

Glazing is grossly expensive also. Huge mark ups. I would wonder what the cost of engineering on a build like this is also?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Rendering vs Reality hit Edmonton pretty hard after the value-engineering got installed

yeah...value engineering at its finest... the Interiors of that building are actually pretty good...but the outside got gutted.

the big concern are renderings are often the best a project will look...if, like the central library, you get a finished project that is actually pretty darn close to the results, you had everyone (client, architect, contractor) on board...

when you start with 'meh' images (just going off the one tweeted, so theoretically vetted), its hard to image it turning out 'better' than the renders...

Great renders should be easy - no budget, no gravity, no environmental concerns, no contractors...tough to scale a project upwards as opposed to making smart cuts...

[Hack&Lube]

The original inverted bowl idea.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/com...ering_for_the/

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

yeah...value engineering at its finest... the Interiors of that building are actually pretty good...but the outside got gutted.

the big concern are renderings are often the best a project will look...if, like the central library, you get a finished project that is actually pretty darn close to the results, you had everyone (client, architect, contractor) on board...

when you start with 'meh' images (just going off the one tweeted, so theoretically vetted), its hard to image it turning out 'better' than the renders...

Great renders should be easy - no budget, no gravity, no environmental concerns, no contractors...tough to scale a project upwards as opposed to making smart cuts...

Like you said, it's easy to make renders look great and even cheat the lighting and material finishes. When the renders are dark and difficult to see like what we have on the first page in the first place, it really makes me question how this will turn out.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Locke

Hah! Remember when you said CalgaryNEXT was going to be awesome?

You saw the plans! You had inside information! It was going to be amazing!

And then you were spectacularly wrong?

If all I do is prevent people from believing your BS then I am actually making a positive contribution.

Which is more than you can say.

I may be a joker....but I'm honest.

Honestly Locke, I'm curious... do you ever take a step back sometimes and realize what you're posting?

I actually feel sorry for you. I hope you get the help you need.

[The Yen Man]

I.... don't like it. It looks like a fancy Costco...