Everyone realizes that the league has to evaluate the medical recommendation before a player is allowed onto LTIR list right? They also have the say on when a player is ready to be released from LTIR. A team can't just say the guy can't play and is going on injury list.
Suuuuuuuure. Ready to be released from LTIR the day the playoffs start
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Everyone realizes that the league has to evaluate the medical recommendation before a player is allowed onto LTIR list right? They also have the say on when a player is ready to be released from LTIR. A team can't just say the guy can't play and is going on injury list.
Nobody is arguing he was eligible for the LTIR list. As for coming off I am sure the NHL asked the Lightning team doctors if it was legit and they said of course, what else would they say? They are not going to screw the team that pays their salary. Do you think the NHL really had their own doctors check Kucherov out at any time? I guarantee they didn't, the league is not doing that because the league is pretty Micky Mouse when it comes to enforcing anything, we have seen it time and again. Even then it would be very hard to prove the Lightning held him out to circumvent the cap so the league's hands would be tied anyhow. That doesn't mean TB didn't play the rules like a fiddle to rope the system, they clearly did. I would bet dollars to doughnuts if the playoffs had started a month before they did Kucherov would have played. No doubt. So did they break the rules? Let's just say they knew they could gain an unfair advantage and it would be quite impossible under the rules to prove.
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If Tampa wasn’t cap confined, would Kucherov have come back during the regular season? What if they had cap space and were fighting for a playoff spot?
Absolutely no doubt about it, in either scenario, as far as I’m concerned.
Within the rules or not, they held him out to gain a competitive advantage. It may not make them cheaters but it makes them even bigger pieces of #### than I already thought they were.
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If Tampa wasn’t cap confined, would Kucherov have come back during the regular season? What if they had cap space and were fighting for a playoff spot?
Absolutely no doubt about it, in either scenario, as far as I’m concerned.
Within the rules or not, they held him out to gain a competitive advantage. It may not make them cheaters but it makes them even bigger pieces of #### than I already thought they were.
I don't get the hate, they are good enough without him to make the playoffs, so they are a piece of #### for resting their star allowing him to heal properly and maybe be better long term. Sure they could have rushed him back, but why? they managed their player well they managed their cap well... sounds really like people are just jealous.
If it was your own favourite team that did it, you would justify it. But instead it is a team that isn't like and people are playing a whole bunch of what if scenarios in their heads when they really have no information of what actually went on behind the scene.
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If Tampa wasn’t cap confined, would Kucherov have come back during the regular season? What if they had cap space and were fighting for a playoff spot?
Absolutely no doubt about it, in either scenario, as far as I’m concerned.
Within the rules or not, they held him out to gain a competitive advantage. It may not make them cheaters but it makes them even bigger pieces of #### than I already thought they were.
Actually, it does make them cheaters. The rules are clear: when a player is healthy enough to return, they have to return. Delaying the return is a direct violation of the cap circumvention rules.
Actually, it does make them cheaters. The rules are clear: when a player is healthy enough to return, they have to return. Delaying the return is a direct violation of the cap circumvention rules.
(if he in fact could have returned prior)
True but I believe the NHL likely gives teams a ton of leeway, as evidenced here, as to what “healthy” means. Healthy enough to play at 50%? 80%? 100%?
I’d say virtually every nhl player is pretty much never 100%, so while they may be allowed to hold him out to get fully recovered, we all know they were stretching the spirit of the rule and, as such, are giant pieces of ####.
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Everyone realizes that the league has to evaluate the medical recommendation before a player is allowed onto LTIR list right? They also have the say on when a player is ready to be released from LTIR. A team can't just say the guy can't play and is going on injury list.
A guy could just say he doesn't feel right...doctor can't say "yes you do" and make him play. Lets not forget Stammer also had the game one miraculous recovery. They just both happened to be ready on the same day that just happened to be the first game the cap didn't count.
These players knew what was up and obviously wanted to give their team an advantage...its likely going to pay off in another ring.
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I don't get the hate, they are good enough without him to make the playoffs, so they are a piece of #### for resting their star allowing him to heal properly and maybe be better long term. Sure they could have rushed him back, but why? they managed their player well they managed their cap well... sounds really like people are just jealous.
If it was your own favourite team that did it, you would justify it. But instead it is a team that isn't like and people are playing a whole bunch of what if scenarios in their heads when they really have no information of what actually went on behind the scene.
Dude, look around — it’s the freaking Tampa Bay Lightening. Not a fan favourite around here, hope they crash and burn.
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15 teams were over the cap at the end of the year. Gallagher on LTIR allowed Montreal to obtain defensive help and also to add Cole Caulfield in the POs, which they could do before.
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I don't get the hate, they are good enough without him to make the playoffs, so they are a piece of #### for resting their star allowing him to heal properly and maybe be better long term. Sure they could have rushed him back, but why? they managed their player well they managed their cap well... sounds really like people are just jealous.
If it was your own favourite team that did it, you would justify it. But instead it is a team that isn't like and people are playing a whole bunch of what if scenarios in their heads when they really have no information of what actually went on behind the scene.
If it was the Flames that pulled that I would be just as pissed, if not more because it would taint the joy of seeing them win another cup.
Everyone realizes that the league has to evaluate the medical recommendation before a player is allowed onto LTIR list right? They also have the say on when a player is ready to be released from LTIR. A team can't just say the guy can't play and is going on injury list.
You had me going there I almost believed that you were serious.
I hope Montreal can pull this off and I think they will. It's going to be all Carey Price if they do.
If the Habs can keep the games close to the end of the third period and even get into OT, they have a good chance to win it all.
15 teams were over the cap at the end of the year. Gallagher on LTIR allowed Montreal to obtain defensive help and also to add Cole Caulfield in the POs, which they could do before.
The LTIR system generally makes sense, but it was only a matter of time until someone stretched it beyond the spirit of the rule. The league even bailed cap teams out more with the taxi squad. Great for the haves, sucks for the haves not.
For me, it begs the question - why does the Trade Deadline exist? It's not actually even a 'trade' deadline, it's a be on a roster to be eligible for the playoffs deadline. Apparently the league doesn't want players parachuting in for games 82 and beyond...sometimes.
I think they just don't want to admit how greasy it was by changing the rule immediately.
The LTIR system generally makes sense, but it was only a matter of time until someone stretched it beyond the spirit of the rule. The league even bailed cap teams out more with the taxi squad. Great for the haves, sucks for the haves not.
For me, it begs the question - why does the Trade Deadline exist? It's not actually even a 'trade' deadline, it's a be on a roster to be eligible for the playoffs deadline. Apparently the league doesn't want players parachuting in for games 82 and beyond...sometimes.
I think they just don't want to admit how greasy it was by changing the rule immediately.
To pull this off, TB had to play without their best offensive player for the whole season. Let’s see Edmonton do it.
The LTIR system generally makes sense, but it was only a matter of time until someone stretched it beyond the spirit of the rule. The league even bailed cap teams out more with the taxi squad. Great for the haves, sucks for the haves not.
For me, it begs the question - why does the Trade Deadline exist? It's not actually even a 'trade' deadline, it's a be on a roster to be eligible for the playoffs deadline. Apparently the league doesn't want players parachuting in for games 82 and beyond...sometimes.
I think they just don't want to admit how greasy it was by changing the rule immediately.
Teams have been abusing the LTIR rule for years. For example, how many retired players are sitting on the LTIR right now? NHL doesn't care because insurance pays these players
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