If you wanna tank then keep Monahan, if you wanna make the playoffs and have some success (God forbid) then you have to trade him. He simply can’t make it through a season and/or playoffs without getting injured. It’s too bad, I had high hopes for him after his first few seasons but he just isn’t a durable number 1 center.
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Why is that Sean Monahan's job? Do other top centers fight to protect themselves?
Isn't that the whole reason this team employs Lucic, Rinaldo,etc?
It's very rare for a guy who's playing as a top line center to fight. Let's look back to 13-14 and look at the top 20 centers in league scoring over that time (Monahan is 19th).
Damn, look at all those soft centers that don't fight. Wouldn't want any of those guys on my team.
It's ridiculous to think that the guy who is your top 6 goal scoring center, who has a history of hand/wrist injuries now, should be fighting to protect himself.
You’ve listed a bunch of guys who are the best players on their team.
Monahan isn’t.
Sean Monahan has received virtually uncontested first line minutes with Johnny Gaudreau for seven years. He has received primo 1st unit power play time every year but his rookie season.
Sam Bennett was never given any chance to centre Gaudreau for any length of time because Sean Monahan was playing through any number of injuries that stopped him being effective the second half of multiple seasons. Who knows what Bennett might have done if Monahan had missed ten or 15 games and given him an opportunity. But that’s neither here nor there.
Johnny Gaudreau is tiny. This is not a secret. Over the course of 82 games, he can’t get abused the way he has his entire career. Some of that is officiating, but this is hockey. The refs aren’t there to save you, they’re barely there to make sure you don’t die.
So while Monahan doesn’t need to be fighting ten times a year, what he does need to do is recognize “hey. I’m 6 ft 3 210. My partner, who CARRIES ME, is getting hammered every night. Not on my watch.”
And when he sees Johnny taking abuse, he should get in that guy’s face. He should slash him in the back of the knee. Face wash him. Put him in a headlock in a scrum, and whisper “touch him again and I’ll break your neck” while choking him. Cross check him in the face like Buchnevich did to Mantha. Something. Anything to show your teammate and best player that you have his back, because Johnny’s only alternative is to assume you don’t have it.
Do you think Gaudreau thinks Monahan has his back? If so, why?
“It’s not Monahan’s job to stand up for Johnny” - the #### it isn’t. It’s everyone’s job, and Monahan is part of everyone.
To win a Stanley Cup requires extreme sacrifice. It’s way easier to take up for a teammate in November than it is the run through the brick wall that is the Stanley Cup playoffs.
So, why does Monahan have to?
Because it’s necessary.
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Ouch. That explains a lot. Hopefully it goes well and he recovers fully.
Sean Monahan does not play a "soft" game. I will concede that he doesn't hit much, but he is always right in the mix of where things are happening, and spends a tonne of time in front of the opposing net. That is hard to do game after game.
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You’ve listed a bunch of guys who are the best players on their team.
Monahan isn’t.
Sean Monahan has received virtually uncontested first line minutes with Johnny Gaudreau for seven years. He has received primo 1st unit power play time every year but his rookie season.
Sam Bennett was never given any chance to centre Gaudreau for any length of time because Sean Monahan was playing through any number of injuries that stopped him being effective the second half of multiple seasons. Who knows what Bennett might have done if Monahan had missed ten or 15 games and given him an opportunity. But that’s neither here nor there.
Johnny Gaudreau is tiny. This is not a secret. Over the course of 82 games, he can’t get abused the way he has his entire career. Some of that is officiating, but this is hockey. The refs aren’t there to save you, they’re barely there to make sure you don’t die.
So while Monahan doesn’t need to be fighting ten times a year, what he does need to do is recognize “hey. I’m 6 ft 3 210. My partner, who CARRIES ME, is getting hammered every night. Not on my watch.”
And when he sees Johnny taking abuse, he should get in that guy’s face. He should slash him in the back of the knee. Face wash him. Put him in a headlock in a scrum, and whisper “touch him again and I’ll break your neck” while choking him. Cross check him in the face like Buchnevich did to Mantha. Something. Anything to show your teammate and best player that you have his back, because Johnny’s only alternative is to assume you don’t have it.
Do you think Gaudreau thinks Monahan has his back? If so, why?
“It’s not Monahan’s job to stand up for Johnny” - the #### it isn’t. It’s everyone’s job, and Monahan is part of everyone.
To win a Stanley Cup requires extreme sacrifice. It’s way easier to take up for a teammate in November than it is the run through the brick wall that is the Stanley Cup playoffs.
So, why does Monahan have to?
Because it’s necessary.
Seems like you are finding reasons why the standards that other top line Cs have don’t apply to Monahan. But, now he’s not, and Lindholm is, so please list the times Lindholm has done this on the same line, or since he’s been the centre.
Plus, a bunch of those guys aren’t the best player on their team. Some aren’t even the best centre. And they are bigger and heavier than Monahan to boot.
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left wrist reconstructed, two hernia surgeries, a procedure on his groin, hip surgery.. anything else? seems to be every summer there is something. he's broken. whatever player he was he isn't that anymore.
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Sean Monahan does not play a "soft" game. I will concede that he doesn't hit much, but he is always right in the mix of where things are happening, and spends a tonne of time in front of the opposing net. That is hard to do game after game.
Yes. Soft can be defined a variety of ways. I always think of this.
Sarich was a tough player who laid a huge hit on Patrick Marleau that changed the direction of a single game in the 2008 playoffs.
Marleau was a skill player who took a huge hit, was bloodied yet came back to help lead his team to a series victory. That's the kind of toughness a guy like Monahan can display and he probably does. The Marleau play was just a very visible example that we were all able to witness.
Not surprised Monahan’s season has ended in the need for surgery. Even so, I’d probably still find a way to trade him, unless this hip injury somehow affected his 2019-20 season as well. That season was almost as bad as this one.
If the Flames do indeed keep Monahan though. The Flames could end up with the exact same core coming back next season. How in the world do you sell that to this fanbase that’s clearly out for blood? Surely someone has to be axed.
To be fair, I think Sean Monahan has upped his intensity level and is much more difficult to play against than in season’s past. But too bad it hasn’t translated into better defense and his offensive game has dropped to unacceptable levels though.
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Why? Should have shut his season down get the surgery he needs instead of dragging things out.
Makes you wonder if playing through all those injuries every other year was not a good idea in hindsight. Example, having injured wrists could have contributed to straining other areas of his body. They could have shut him down several times and let Bennett run with it!
To be fair, I think Sean Monahan has upped his intensity level and is much more difficult to play against than in season’s past. But too bad it hasn’t translated into better defense and his offensive game has dropped to unacceptable levels though.
I agree - the first ten games especially were the most engaged and intense I’ve ever seen 23.
I still wouldn’t call it even league-average intensity.
I’d like to request AC do a video “Sean Monahan asserts himself on the game” - I suspect it would be short.
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