It's all about personal accountability. If we take ownership of our actions instead of blaming others, it would go a long way. (And I don't mean the women needs to own up) However, I do think women need to make better choices about putting themselves in vulnerable situations.
You're an idiot.
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It's all about personal accountability. If we take ownership of our actions instead of blaming others, it would go a long way. (And I don't mean the women needs to own up) However, I do think women need to make better choices about putting themselves in vulnerable situations.
Victim blaming. Classic move of the misogynistic manchild. Perhaps we as a society would be better served to have a world that women aren't told to stay safe, or to be aware at all times. A world where women can take a walk without fear of some mouth breathing trogolodyte who feels he has a right to approach her.
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And people wonder why women don’t come forward right away, or at all. “Hey maybe I’ll invite some unrelenting public scrutiny into my life, get blamed for something that was one of the most traumatic moments in my life, and also re-live that trauma over and over all the while being called horrible names and have the entire internet judge my actions!”
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Victim blaming. Classic move of the misogynistic manchild. Perhaps we as a society would be better served to have a world that women aren't told to stay safe, or to be aware at all times. A world where women can take a walk without fear of some mouth breathing trogolodyte who feels he has a right to approach her.
Completely agree with the entire statement above. BUT I know that at this point society isn't there yet. It's not right that it's not there but it is fact. To that end, it is what we need to aspire to be.
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I think the two go hand in hand, in the same way that the racist sexist cultures of the 70's didnt cause rapes and gay bashing directly they just opened the door and invited it in
Causation or correlation? If what you are championing is open-mindedness and tolerance, then I am with you. I just think it is less effective to try and combat hate with more hate. Just doesn't work. Never has. Never will.
Causation or correlation? If what you are championing is open-mindedness and tolerance, then I am with you. I just think it is less effective to try and combat hate with more hate. Just doesn't work. Never has. Never will.
Except we're not talking the hatred between Israel and Palestine. Or the hatred of North and South Korea. We're talking about the hatred of people who hate people for the colour of their skin, their sexual orientation, their gender or other #### that they have no control over vs people who aren't walking garbage.
Sorry, not going to play nice with these people. If you hate people for things out of their control, you're on the list. If it's because of your religion, you and your religion are on the list. If it's how you were raised, you and your parents are on the list. No excuses for being a #### any more. Let it go or #### off, there is no in between.
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Seems unduly harsh from a Canucks fan on a Flames board.
Maybe attack the post and not the poster?
The hell does the team I cheer for have to do with anything? This isn't a "hockey issue". This is a human issue. The team I cheer for has zero to do with anything in this thread. Don't be daft.
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The hell does the team I cheer for have to do with anything? This isn't a "hockey issue". This is a human issue. The team I cheer for has zero to do with anything in this thread. Don't be daft.
Still prefer this post is idiotic to you’re an idiot.
Edit: just saw the above post 122. So point was already made. Apologies. Carry on.
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Except we're not talking the hatred between Israel and Palestine. Or the hatred of North and South Korea. We're talking about the hatred of people who hate people for the colour of their skin, their sexual orientation, their gender or other #### that they have no control over vs people who aren't walking garbage.
Sorry, not going to play nice with these people. If you hate people for things out of their control, you're on the list. If it's because of your religion, you and your religion are on the list. If it's how you were raised, you and your parents are on the list. No excuses for being a #### any more. Let it go or #### off, there is no in between.
The hell does the team I cheer for have to do with anything? This isn't a "hockey issue". This is a human issue. The team I cheer for has zero to do with anything in this thread. Don't be daft.
This is interesting, particularly because you follow it up with things that, to some extent, can be outside of one's control... Some people have recovered from a terrible, racist upbringing upon being cultured and educated.
But this tangent is all besides my point. If you want a better world, if you want to influence change, being hateful to someone, no matter how deserving, will not make them be less deserving. There are better ways to effect change. And if they truly are racist and intentional enough to be truly deserving, then you will only incite more hate, more racism, and more discrimination. It might feel good to you to be hateful, but you're not doing anyone else any good in the long run.
If you've got the time, this is a really interesting look at cancel culture from someone on the left who got canceled. I know I learned a lot from it. I didn't realize just how slight some of the micro aggressions are that rile up the twitter mob. I'd always just assumed it was a term co-opted by the right to complain about the reactions to allegations in situations like this.
I try to teach my son about consent and how women should be treated and not be treated. What to do in certain situations etc. I have put him in self-defence/MMA classes.
I try to teach my daughter about consent as well and what behaviour is appropriate and what is not (if someone behaves a certain way with her). Who to reach out to if ever in a certain situation etc. I have put her in self-defence/MMA classes.
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"A world where women can take a walk without fear of some mouth breathing trogolodyte who feels he has a right to approach her."
I don't believe such a utopian world exists or has the chance of existing in this lifetime. All we can do is educate our kids and hope that we have done our best as parents to build a better world.
The fact is that from a biological standpoint - women have on average smaller builds and men have larger builds. There are plenty of messed up men out there that are more than willing to take advantage of this fact. All the teaching in the world isn't going to convince quite a few of these people.
One time I travelled to Colombia in my younger years and was robbed at gunpoint. I was somewhere I should not have been at a time where I should not have been. At the end of the day, you should try not to leave your personal security in the hands or decision-making of other people. You'll quickly realize how poor of a judgement other people have.
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Is she cancelled? She just made a youtube video viewed by 1.8 M.
Haven't watched the video, but this type of response always baffles me. Are people only allowed to take issue with severe, life-changing overreactions at the hands of an internet mob if they're locked in a box in a basement and unable to communicate with anyone afterwards? Do you really not understand what the people who complain about this sort of things are actually complaining about, or are you just pretending not to?
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If you've got the time, this is a really interesting look at cancel culture from someone on the left who got canceled. I know I learned a lot from it. I didn't realize just how slight some of the micro aggressions are that rile up the twitter mob. I'd always just assumed it was a term co-opted by the right to complain about the reactions to allegations in situations like this.
How did she get 'canceled'? Because her next video only got 1.8M views? Because she decided to delete her twitter account?
Participation in social media is neither a right nor requirement of our society. So much ado about nothing.
I try to teach my son about consent and how women should be treated and not be treated. What to do in certain situations etc. I have put him in self-defence/MMA classes.
I try to teach my daughter about consent as well and what behaviour is appropriate and what is not (if someone behaves a certain way with her). Who to reach out to if ever in a certain situation etc. I have put her in self-defence/MMA classes.
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"A world where women can take a walk without fear of some mouth breathing trogolodyte who feels he has a right to approach her."
I don't believe such a utopian world exists or has the chance of existing in this lifetime. All we can do is educate our kids and hope that we have done our best as parents to build a better world.
The fact is that from a biological standpoint - women have on average smaller builds and men have larger builds. There are plenty of messed up men out there that are more than willing to take advantage of this fact. All the teaching in the world isn't going to convince quite a few of these people.
One time I travelled to Colombia in my younger years and was robbed at gunpoint. I was somewhere I should not have been at a time where I should not have been. At the end of the day, you should try not to leave your personal security in the hands or decision-making of other people. You'll quickly realize how poor of a judgement other people have.
I totally get what you are saying. I hate it when people say "personal accountability", because it makes it is demeaning to both men and women. It makes women sound dumb and men sound like we are all potential rapists.
I do think we need to stress to people, and women in particular, that stranger danger isn't something that goes away once you are an adult. A lot of missing person cases start off because people are too trusting of people they don't know. There are more people out there who would hurt you than most people realize.
In this case though, assuming he is guilty (which I am not doing), I can see why someone would trust an NHL hockey player over an average person. There would be an expectation of professionalism and if she was a hockey fan, it would have been easy to get caught up in the excitement. Especially considering he brought her to the hotel the team was staying in. It probably felt relatively safe.
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Haven't watched the video, but this type of response always baffles me. Are people only allowed to take issue with severe, life-changing overreactions at the hands of an internet mob if they're locked in a box in a basement and unable to communicate with anyone afterwards? Do you really not understand what the people who complain about this sort of things are actually complaining about, or are you just pretending not to?
TBH I really don't understand at all. Social media toxicity is certainly a problem, and it would be great if it wasn't, but it's pretty far down the totem pole (uh oh...am I risking cancellation?) of this world's problems.
3+ years ago Virtanen was on an ELC . Now he makes $2.5M.
I am not going to say that I dont believe this woman because I dont know either way, she may be 100% right, I do not know, the courts can figure that out.
Is she cancelled? She just made a youtube video viewed by 1.8 M.
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How did she get 'canceled'? Because her next video only got 1.8M views? Because she decided to delete her twitter account?
Participation in social media is neither a right nor requirement of our society. So much ado about nothing.
That's an interesting point. The toxic elements of cancel culture exists almost exclusively on twitter. While she was getting thousands of harssing messages, the youtube community had no idea what was going on, with many not learning until this video came out. Meanwhile the twitter mob had been harassing her employers trying to get her fired. So yes, she is still successful on youtube, and is fortunate enough to have a publisher that will still work with her. She will continue to have a career, but not everybody who gets "canceled" by the twitter mob is so lucky, as Jay Random shows.
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I'm talking about the publishing industry, where commercially successful writers are regularly dropped by their publishers (and blacklisted by the Big Five cartel that controls most bookstore distribution) for being (a) Republican, (b) Christian, (c) seriously practising any other established religion, (d) politically neutral, (e) insufficiently enthusiastic Democrats, (f) using a plain English word instead of a ‘woke’ euphemism, (g) using last year's euphemism instead of this year's euphemism, (h) not au courant with the trendy left-wing cause of the hour. Of course, all these things can be and are labelled as ‘hateful behaviour’, which is all the excuse the Twitter mobs need. You sound like just the sort of person who would do that, since you trotted out the ‘hateful behaviour’ excuse for a situation you know nothing about.
The point is that bosses themselves are afraid of being fired, cancelled, or boycotted, and few of them, especially in the arts and entertainment fields, have the guts to defy a Twitter mob, or the horse sense to ignore it until the storm blows over and the mob finds a new target. With publishers, what it amounts to is that they are looking for excuses to break their contracts with authors who are making money, and believe they can get the same level of net profit by replacing them with unknown writers who will earn the publishers diversity points while being paid a pittance for their work.
It doesn't work, of course, which is why the Big Five publishers (formerly Big Six, soon to be Big Four) are slowly going down the tubes. Only a constant stream of mergers and acquisitions keeps their sales roughly flat; they buy up new businesses to compensate for destroying the old ones. But that's another story.
The video is long, but well worth it. She does address these points as well.
