[PGT] Chucky scores! FLAMES...lose 3-2 to Jets.

[united]

Any time a hockey team fires a coach and brings in a coach with a drastically different style of play there is almost always a 2- or 3-game adrenaline dump but with the familiar system resulting in immediate results and optimism, followed by 10-20 games of deterioration as the adrenaline wears off and the team goes through the awkward period of trying to shed one style/system while concurrently learning another, another 10-20 games where the team becomes fluid in their new game at which point you get some semblance of consistency.

Right now we are seeing the absolute dip in the post-adrenaline period where the players are consciously attempting to comply with the system but the system is still completely awkward to them resulting in inefficiency. Things will get better but it is tough to watch right now, that's for sure.

The (presumably ownership) Team making the coaching change when they did was always about drastic improvement next season and the following season, while also allowing for the possibility of the Flames limping into the playoffs right when they are maximizing their fluidity with Sutter's system putting them in the position to cause some damage. The downside of the timing in this shortened season was the stretch of acclimating to the new system/tactics could erase their playoffs hopes which is unfortunately what we appear to be seeing.

Short-term (extreme) pain for long-term gain.

[djsFlames]

I just want to see them bottle what they did in the Montreal set.

That was exactly how they need to play, from every guy down the line up. They showed that they're capable of doing it.

All they did was simplify, work together and skate for 60 minutes. Didn't need a seismic system change, merely cohesiveness and engagement.

[gt4flames]

I was talking with an Oiler fan friend of my friends Dad tonight. He remembers the Glory years and clings to them like expense accounts of yesteryear talk about $150/ barrel oil.
The Flames had 1 Moment of glory...and I missed it by 2 years. In my 25 years of fandom I have only gotten a glimpse of glory in 2004... and that equated to the aroma of a beautiful womans perfume who walked by a 10 minutes prior.

Seattle has sick jerseys....maybe I'll be able to get a Backlund one.

[Tsawwassen]

Post game links
https://scores.nbcsports.com/nhl/rec...=28&final=true
http://sportsstats.cbc.ca/hockey/nhl...cap134112.html

[hurtin_albertan]

I can’t believe how bad Monahan is. He’s gone from top line center perennial 30 goal scorer to “maybe he’ll catch on in Europe”. I’ve never seen a +6’ +200 lb center play as soft as he does. Such a dud of a pick.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by hurtin_albertan

I can’t believe how bad Monahan is. He’s gone from top line center perennial 30 goal scorer to “maybe he’ll catch on in Europe”. I’ve never seen a +6’ +200 lb center play as soft as he does. Such a dud of a pick.

I wouldn't go as far as that, but he consistently does not show up in games with a lot (or anything) on the line. He would be my first casualty, sorry to say.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Another day, another loss. It’s hard to watch these guys. I was convinced Sutter would have them find another gear. Guess I was wrong.

Does reverse count?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by united

Any time a hockey team fires a coach and brings in a coach with a drastically different style of play there is almost always a 2- or 3-game adrenaline dump but with the familiar system resulting in immediate results and optimism, followed by 10-20 games of deterioration as the adrenaline wears off and the team goes through the awkward period of trying to shed one style/system while concurrently learning another, another 10-20 games where the team becomes fluid in their new game at which point you get some semblance of consistency.

Right now we are seeing the absolute dip in the post-adrenaline period where the players are consciously attempting to comply with the system but the system is still completely awkward to them resulting in inefficiency. Things will get better but it is tough to watch right now, that's for sure.

The (presumably ownership) Team making the coaching change when they did was always about drastic improvement next season and the following season, while also allowing for the possibility of the Flames limping into the playoffs right when they are maximizing their fluidity with Sutter's system putting them in the position to cause some damage. The downside of the timing in this shortened season was the stretch of acclimating to the new system/tactics could erase their playoffs hopes which is unfortunately what we appear to be seeing.

Short-term (extreme) pain for long-term gain.

Sutter himself has said it isn’t about systems and he doesn’t have the guys play differently from how Ward had them play.

The systems thing is just an excuse. If it’s so hard for hockey players to adjust to a new system, how to international teams manage to gel and play effective hockey after only a handful of warmup games?

And I don’t buy that hiring Sutter was a next season move. It was a desperate bid to make the playoffs this season. Teams have won the Cup after a mid-season coaching change.

[keenan87]

Meh, hopefully another loss today so there is no doubt in anyone's mind that Flames are sellers at the deadline.

Just need a better GM to execute the re-tool.

[Monahammer]

1. I think the Appleton penalty was total bull####. Lucic took a normal amount of steps to hit a guy 1.5 meters away from the board who decided last minute to turn and face the boards and lessen the blow. Mason Appleton is a dumbass. The rage of opposing Canadian fans is as always misplaced. Mostly its just oil fans desperate for a way to pile onto us after the last 20 years. Also pionk is a little bitch.

2. I don't like any of our players still. Maybe chris tanev. Maybe Noah Hanifin. That's it.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Another result of dinosaur hockey. Flames continue to play the game around the boards, rarely moving the puck more than 10 feet from the runner. Meanwhile the other 75% of the ice is where the action takes place and where the scoring happens.

Love the Calgary Flames but hate everything about this team. From the front office, to the coaching staff, to the players, to the prospects, to the goal song. Can't wait for change.

[thetruefan]

Some good signs in this one. We’re about to go on a heater.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by hurtin_albertan

I can’t believe how bad Monahan is. He’s gone from top line center perennial 30 goal scorer to “maybe he’ll catch on in Europe”. I’ve never seen a +6’ +200 lb center play as soft as he does. Such a dud of a pick.

I find it weird that, after this game, it’s Monahan you single out. He was by far not the worst or most invisible Flame. I saw him working the boards in both zone as a fair bit. Whereas, say, Lindholm, a guy picked ahead of Monahan, was actually bad all night. Gaudreau, outside of one rush, played lazy hockey. Backlund had a huge case of fumbles again. The “always on” guys like Dube and Mangiapane were not noticeable at all. Andersson played badly. Gio didn’t do much. Hanifin didn’t do much and had a huge giveaway. Lucic was his usual self for better and worse, same with Tkachuk, same with Markstrom.

Tanev and Ryan. That’s my list of good performances. Monahan , I’d say was one of the better of the mediocre Flames.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by New Era

Another result of dinosaur hockey. Flames continue to play the game around the boards, rarely moving the puck more than 10 feet from the runner. Meanwhile the other 75% of the ice is where the action takes place and where the scoring happens.

Love the Calgary Flames but hate everything about this team. From the front office, to the coaching staff, to the players, to the prospects, to the goal song. Can't wait for change.

Might be time to find a new team bud.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by thetruefan

Some good signs in this one. We’re about to go on a heater.

Not sure, while the Flames had some positives...

They had very little offensive pressure for most of the game.

Defensively they are better, still making the mistakes at bad times

My guess Dube is not dressed tonight.

[Young Guns]

It’s actually laughable watching Giordano try to break out on the power play. It’s the most awkward thing when he turns and try’s to find Johnny. Everyone stops skating and stands at attention while we feed it back to Gaudreau. Let’s play a game of paddy cake while we wait for him to catch up. Only to loose the puck trying to dangle through 4 guys waiting at there blue line.

How do you score goals when you can’t get the puck anywhere near the front of the net. Just keep riming it around the boards until a d-man has a chance to shoot the puck into someone’s legs.

And why does every shot they take have to be at the goalies head? Keep the puck low where the goalie can’t see it. Get some rebounds and unlucky bounces off guys legs. Stop aiming for the nose bleeds.

Also like to point out that Cassie said “ no question about it” 11 times during the game. Come up with some new material already!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

1. I think the Appleton penalty was total bull####. Lucic took a normal amount of steps to hit a guy 1.5 meters away from the board who decided last minute to turn and face the boards and lessen the blow. Mason Appleton is a dumbass. The rage of opposing Canadian fans is as always misplaced. Mostly its just oil fans desperate for a way to pile onto us after the last 20 years. Also pionk is a little bitch.

2. I don't like any of our players still. Maybe chris tanev. Maybe Noah Hanifin. That's it.

You drive a guy face first into the boards and you get a penalty.

You punch a guy in the face and you get a penalty.

Especially when you have a reputation like Lucic.

Lucic is the dumbass. Team down by 1 goal with 7 minutes to go, that’s likely the game.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by flambers

My guess Dube is not dressed tonight.

My guess he is.


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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Might be time to find a new team bud.

Nope. Just have to wait for the change cycle. I hated the Young Guns and Ron Bremner era. Ken King came along and started positive change. The same thing will happen again. It will just take time. This team is going to bottom out in the next year to year and a half and a new direction will develop. All part of the cycle. Until then, just have to tough it out and deal with the absolute #### product being peddled and the incompetence of management.

[BagoPucks]

Flames need to skate harder and hit. It is a matter of showing up physically. I am starting to question the conditioning of this team and not just the mental side. Our forwards are too stationary and need to let the play be carried with their feet. Dont over think it, just skate and hit.