Calgary Police Officer Killed During New Years Traffic Stop

[Macman]

Update on what happened that night and the one guy, the passenger, has plead guilty to manslaughter.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...cted-1.6275864

[Knightslayer]

Sucks he got off pretty lightly as he played a pretty big part in this officers death.

I think it should have been at least 2nd degree murder. But we do live in a society where everyone can apparently be rehabilitated.

If it was up to me he'd have his cell door locked and fed only the essentials through a straw until he dies. I don't believe in the death penalty but sometimes I think we should make special exceptions. You kill a police officer or child you get the death penalty.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Sucks he got off pretty lightly as he played a pretty big part in this officers death.

I think it should have been at least 2nd degree murder. But we do live in a society where everyone can apparently be rehabilitated.

If it was up to me he'd have his cell door locked and fed only the essentials through a straw until he dies. I don't believe in the death penalty but sometimes I think we should make special exceptions. You kill a police officer or child you get the death penalty.

For the record, if you believe the second part, you don't actually believe the first part.

[metallicat]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6330001

Five year sentence for the passenger.

[chemgear]

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/brother-o...ling-1.6407326

The brother of a slain Calgary police officer says the day parole release of one of the men convicted of killing Andrew Harnett barely a year after sentencing is shocking and "laughable."

"We were not aware of the parole hearing date or the decision until after the fact, I personally found out through Facebook," Jason said. "The Calgary Police (Service) liaison notified us shortly after."

"Our family has spent more time in court dealing with both convicted individuals than this criminal spent time in jail.

[Snuffleupagus]

"There is something seriously flawed with our justice system and it needs a complete overhaul."

No ####, what's not talked about is the shear amount of corruption in our court system.

[jayswin]

Corruption? You'd think if there was any corruption it would favour police not work against them, no?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Corruption? You'd think if there was any corruption it would favour police not work against them, no?

Police? their stuffed envelopes are much smaller than Lawyers and Judges and from different people

[jayswin]

What evidence or even anything do you have that supports this?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

"There is something seriously flawed with our justice system and it needs a complete overhaul."

No ####, what's not talked about is the shear amount of corruption in our court system.

If you can provide one real example, I will call the Law Society myself.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

"There is something seriously flawed with our justice system and it needs a complete overhaul."

No ####, what's not talked about is the shear amount of corruption in our court system.

Our criminal justice system is built around rehabilitation, not meting out punishment and enforcing prolonged, for-profit imprisonment like the American system. If you think Canada is corrupt, I encourage you to look at how crime is handled down south and reconsider your position. It's not perfect, but it could be a hell of a lot worse for society as a whole.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

The criminal justice system... I repeat JUSTICE not vengeance system, is about rehabilitation and treating everyone fairly.

This is why indigenous offenders get the benefit of a Gladue Report.

Here in Nova Scotia there's a relatively recent decision in R v Anderson that will likely lead to the same type of report for Afician Canadian offenders and minorities.

But what about victims of crime?

That's where Victims Services comes into play. Here in Nova Scotia it's an integral part of the criminal justice system which I believe was one of the outcomes of thr 1992 McDonalds Murders has families had no where to turn to learn about the system and have their voices heard.

What is sorely lacking is mental health services. The amount of people that reoffend because they have no support is staggering. You'd be floored by the amount of good people, who without medication or support reoffend. Ironically, we lock up people who aren't dangerous because they are medicated and supported in prison. Then once release they become anti-social.

[transplant99]

You will never convince me that this convicted criminal is rehabilitated in the space of a year from murdering someone with no regard to the consequences, to a contributing member of society just needing a break and go live with mommy and daddy.

The parole system in this country is so broken its ridiculous.

Cannot imagine the pain and anger Harnetts friends and family have to be dealing with.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You will never convince me that this convicted criminal is rehabilitated in the space of a year from murdering someone with no regard to the consequences, to a contributing member of society just needing a break and go live with mommy and daddy.

The parole system in this country is so broken its ridiculous.

Cannot imagine the pain and anger Harnetts friends and family have to be dealing with.

That's fair, but keep in mind that parole doesn't mean rehabilitated. Parole is part of the process.

I'd also ask the following two questions:

(1) What were the facts surrounding the parolee? IE: What did they do, what was the actual conviction charge, what was the sentence, what were the aggravating and mitigating factors?

(2) What would you have done differently in the situation?

[Sliver]

1. Wasn't this guy just a passenger in the car?

2. Didn't the cop, like, grab onto the car or something? This one always struck me a little bit as partially a workplace accident based on the cop making a tragic mistake with how he conducted the traffic stop instead of just stepping back from the vehicle. I know this is an unpopular take, but the cop really did make a grave error here that cost him his life as there is no way in hell clinging to the side of a fleeing vehicle is police procedure.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Sliver

1. Wasn't this guy just a passenger in the car?

2. Didn't the cop, like, grab onto the car or something? This one always struck me a little bit as partially a workplace accident based on the cop making a tragic mistake with how he conducted the traffic stop instead of just stepping back from the vehicle. I know this is an unpopular take, but the cop really did make a grave error here that cost him his life as there is no way in hell clinging to the side of a fleeing vehicle is police procedure.

Yeah this is just one of the passengers

The defense claimed that sgt harnett was holding on to his steering wheel and punching the driver in the head, but the body camera footage showed that that was only after he had already floored it. It's likely he got caught on something else somehow, but really, we don't know.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by troutman

If you can provide one real example, I will call the Law Society myself.

But what good will that do in the face of the ENVELOPES OF CASH that they're receiving??!1

... also do I get an envelope too or is it just criminal lawyers?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

That's fair, but keep in mind that parole doesn't mean rehabilitated. Parole is part of the process.

I'd also ask the following two questions:

(1) What were the facts surrounding the parolee? IE: What did they do, what was the actual conviction charge, what was the sentence, what were the aggravating and mitigating factors?

(2) What would you have done differently in the situation?

Keep him in prison for AT LEAST 2/3rds of his sentence....if not all of it.

As for the 1st question....what does it matter? All that stuff was litigated and introduced during trial and considered during sentencing.

What is the point of any sentence given in this country when in reality it will very very rarely be what ends up happening? Particularly when it is in regards to the taking of innocent lives.

Again...extremely broken system and one that allows so many out who end up re-offending. ridiculous honestly and i am far from a guy who pumps the crime and punishment signal.

Whatever it is we have right now simply is not working and very few have the balls or are willing to risk political capital to tackle it apparently.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Whatever it is we have right now simply is not working and very few have the balls or are willing to risk political capital to tackle it apparently.

How is this evidence of that, though? He was the 22 year old passenger in that vehicle with a pretty limited criminal history and by all accounts has been completely remorseful and committed to putting his life on the right path.

Using this particular example as a reason to get on a soapbox about justice reform seems really stupid. This could easily be an example of why the way the current justice system works.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

How is this evidence of that, though? He was the 22 year old passenger in that vehicle with a pretty limited criminal history and by all accounts has been completely remorseful and committed to putting his life on the right path.

Using this particular example as a reason to get on a soapbox about justice reform seems really stupid. This could easily be an example of why the way the current justice system works.

The irony of you calling someone else out about being on a soapbox is hilarious.

Remoresful and putting life on right path....AFTER being part of taking an innocent life and getting caught?....that never happens.

Probably found/rediscovered a deity of some sort while spending less than 18 months locked up as well.....cuz....that happens all the time too!

That would be the exacta of reasoning from those wishing to get out of jail.

Again though, this is far far from the only example of this occurring. Hell, just last year we had 2 guys slaughter people all over N Saskatchewan and one of them should have never been out. But you know...he was just trying to get on the right path et al.

Carry on though on your high moral horse worrying about this kid and those who actually commit crimes and hurt others.

I will choose to think about the Harnett family and friends left behind who are the real ones trying to get on with their lives, then get dealt this horse#### example of "Canadian justice working like it should".