[Signing] Vegas signs Alex Pietrangelo (7yrs, $8.8 mil AAV, NMC)

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Corral

This is incorrect. Even an easy web search will demonstrate that arbitrary means determined by chance and without reason. Thus having a reason to cheer for the flames is the exact opposite of being arbitrary.

Don’t trust the google definition. They aren’t comprehensive. Not arbitrary as in “without reason.” More like: “subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion.”

The reasons d phaneuf listed are all arbitrary in this sense.

history, community, societal constructs, expectations, experience

It basically boils down to “whatever reason is as good as any”. Jersey colour, goal horn, play style, history, community etc. It doesn’t really matter what you pick, it’s all down to personal preference.

So saying anyone over 12 who cheers for Vegas is a loser is a stupid thing to say because that person’s arbitrary reason for liking VGK is, by definition, no better or worse than anyone else’s.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I have always felt that the difference between a 'bandwagon fan' and a fan that cheers for the same team even through the down years is simple - take a look around in the stands WHEN the Flames win their next cup. Bandwagoners are having a tonne of fun. The hardcore fans are enjoying it, but you can see the tears in their eyes too from that enjoyment.


It is about the emotion for me. Following Calgary (or any other sports team around) is like being a big fan of a soap opera in a way. It is a long story with many ups and downs. You wouldn't appreciate the ups as much if they were always present - would be a nice change for a bit! - but you wouldn't appreciate it as much.



It doesn't matter where I move to, how crappy they get, how awfully managed they get. I mean, if they got to be Oilers' level bad, I would just stop admitting I was a fan... but I would keep watching them and being a fan no matter where life takes me.


Doesn't mean I can't criticize them, or if I do, that I am not a 'fan'. It just means that every season I am going to hope for the best, and enjoy the story-line along the way until they finally win again. Then I will shout, celebrate, scream for joy, high-five strangers... but I will do it with tears in my eyes.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Don’t trust the google definition. They aren’t comprehensive. Not arbitrary as in “without reason.” More like: “subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one's discretion.”

The reasons d phaneuf listed are all arbitrary in this sense.



It basically boils down to “whatever reason is as good as any”. Jersey colour, goal horn, play style, history, community etc. It doesn’t really matter what you pick, it’s all down to personal preference.

So saying anyone over 12 who cheers for Vegas is a loser is a stupid thing to say because that person’s arbitrary reason for liking VGK is, by definition, no better or worse than anyone else’s.

There can be logic underlying why someone cheers for a team. Indeed the most common logic is residence. And this is the basis for the discussion here: someone who doesn’t live in Vegas shouldn’t cheer for them.

I don’t agree with the argument, but it is still based on reason and clearly not arbitrary.

[Mr.Coffee]

Something tells me that this is a pivotal structural change to a team that they will gravely regret. This has finally got my contract now don’t give a F written all over it, and I suspect was a colossal mistake.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Something tells me that this is a pivotal structural change to a team that they will gravely regret. This has finally got my contract now don’t give a F written all over it, and I suspect was a colossal mistake.

I also wonder if this will be similar to when Sutter traded Ference for Stuart.

All the players said it was a major blow as he was a huge part of the dressing room and loved by everyone. After that the team chemistry was off.

It sounded like Schmidt was a glue guy like that for Vegas.

I hope it blows up in their face.

Oilers and Vegas, two most hated teams for me right now.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Corral

There can be logic underlying why someone cheers for a team. Indeed the most common logic is residence. And this is the basis for the discussion here: someone who doesn’t live in Vegas shouldn’t cheer for them.

I don’t agree with the argument, but it is still based on reason and clearly not arbitrary.

If you don’t live in a City which has a team, can you cheer for anyone or does it have to me the closest team?

If you lived in a non-NHL city for 15 years and cheered for X team, and then moved to Calgary, do you have to now cheer for a Calgary?

If you live in a non- communist country, can you cheer for any team you want to because that is your right?

Where can I find these rules written down?

Or are they like the unwritten rules of baseball? Unwritten.

And what about the expression “the reason some rules are unwritten, is because they are wrong”?


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[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If you don’t live in a City which has a team, can you cheer for anyone or does it have to me the closest team?

If you lived in a non-NHL city for 15 years and cheered for X team, and then moved to Calgary, do you have to now cheer for a Calgary?

And if you do, and you’re over the age of 12, are you “fake” like expansion team fans??? Why not?

[Azure]

So Winnipeg basically hands the Knights cap room on a golden platter and they turn around and sign the biggest free agent on the market making the division and conference, of which the Jets are a part of, most tougher.

How dumb can a team get?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Azure

most tougher

Please let this be the new VGK team slogan.

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[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Azure

So Winnipeg basically hands the Knights cap room on a golden platter and they turn around and sign the biggest free agent on the market making the division and conference, of which the Jets are a part of, most tougher.

How dumb can a team get?

You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by getbak

I'm not sure what exactly you're asking about.


For next season, escrow is fixed at 20% and will fluctuate over the next few seasons until revenues return to normal and the league is made good for any money that is overpaid to the players.

If a player has a $10 million contract, he'll only get paid $8 million next season. If a player has a $1 million contract, he'll only get paid $800,000. If a player starts the season in the AHL and gets recalled due to an injury, he'll only get paid 80% of his NHL salary while he's called up.

Escrow is only a factor with the actual dollars paid to the players and has no impact on cap calculations. If a player has a $10 million cap hit, he'll still have a $10 million cap hit against the $81.5 million cap.

For the next few seasons, the cap is going to basically be fake placeholder numbers that don't really relate to what the players will actually be getting paid. The cap won't be going down if revenues drop, it just means that escrow will go up to make up the difference between the cap numbers and the real dollars.


I'm not sure if that answers your question or just makes it more confusing.

The escrow part makes sense. Thanks.

Player salaries are 50% of HRR right?

If the projected cap for 2020-21 is 81.5M, then projected revenue for 2020-21 is 81.5M x 31 x 2 = 5.053B.

What if league revenues drop by more than 20% which is possible if the pandemic gets worse.

If revenues drop 25% for example (3.79B, cap 61.1M) would player salaries actually get reduced or would teams have to shed contracts?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

The escrow part makes sense. Thanks.



Player salaries are 50% of HRR right?



If the projected cap for 2020-21 is 81.5M, then projected revenue for 2020-21 is 81.5M x 31 x 2 = 5.053B.



What if league revenues drop by more than 20% which is possible if the pandemic gets worse.



If revenues drop 25% for example (3.79B, cap 61.1M) would player salaries actually get reduced or would teams have to shed contracts?

I'm just guessing, but I would imagine in the event of a +20% drop in revenue that teams will have to eat the losses.

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[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Azure

So Winnipeg basically hands the Knights cap room on a golden platter and they turn around and sign the biggest free agent on the market making the division and conference, of which the Jets are a part of, most tougher.

How dumb can a team get?

Winnipeg AND Vancouver, two teams in the West facilitated this horse####

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

The escrow part makes sense. Thanks.

Player salaries are 50% of HRR right?

If the projected cap for 2020-21 is 81.5M, then projected revenue for 2020-21 is 81.5M x 31 x 2 = 5.053B.

What if league revenues drop by more than 20% which is possible if the pandemic gets worse.

If revenues drop 25% for example (3.79B, cap 61.1M) would player salaries actually get reduced or would teams have to shed contracts?

Just for clarity, you should use the mid-point, not the cap, for the revenue calculation. So:

70.85 x 31 x 2 = $4.392B

[Buff]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

I hate when that comes up

It's not laundry

Its history, community, societal constructs, expectations, experience

For a lot of people its familial bonds

I think people get mad at vegas because they've had it 'easy'

I look at it as, if they win a cup in the next few years, it's not gonna mean anywhere as much to their fans as a cup win would do to fans who've followed for years/decades

So the people in Vegas who had been wishing for a pro-sports team for decades don't count?

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Azure

So Winnipeg basically hands the Knights cap room on a golden platter and they turn around and sign the biggest free agent on the market making the division and conference, of which the Jets are a part of, most tougher.

How dumb can a team get?

These takes are just silly. For one does it not make St.Louis weaker who are more direct competition to Winnipeg. I mean do you think 31 teams should just let a guy like Pietrangelo sit around and not play because he can make someone else better? Or sign with a team who finished behind you who might have cap space and now be better than you are?

Second are players falling all over themselves to sign and play in Winnipeg? The Jets badly need a top 6 center as they have plenty of good top 6 wingers, and one comes available for a contract dump defenceman and a conditional 4th round pick 2 drafts from now. They were not going to sign Pietrangelo so why shouldn't they make a deal to help their team?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

These takes are just silly. For one does it not make St.Louis weaker who are more direct competition to Winnipeg. I mean do you think 31 teams should just let a guy like Pietrangelo sit around and not play because he can make someone else better? Or sign with a team who finished behind you who might have cap space and now be better than you are?

Second are players falling all over themselves to sign and play in Winnipeg? The Jets badly need a top 6 center as they have plenty of good top 6 wingers, and one comes available for a contract dump defenceman and a conditional 4th round pick 2 drafts from now. They were not going to sign Pietrangelo so why shouldn't they make a deal to help their team?

And Statsny is now their #2 centre. Somewhat important.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

And Statsny is now their #2 centre. Somewhat important.

Speaking of, who is Vegas' 2C now?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

These takes are just silly. For one does it not make St.Louis weaker who are more direct competition to Winnipeg. I mean do you think 31 teams should just let a guy like Pietrangelo sit around and not play because he can make someone else better? Or sign with a team who finished behind you who might have cap space and now be better than you are?

Second are players falling all over themselves to sign and play in Winnipeg? The Jets badly need a top 6 center as they have plenty of good top 6 wingers, and one comes available for a contract dump defenceman and a conditional 4th round pick 2 drafts from now. They were not going to sign Pietrangelo so why shouldn't they make a deal to help their team?

No, but they could have at least not basically handed the Knights $6.5 million in cap space without getting something out of it.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Speaking of, who is Vegas' 2C now?

According to depth charts, Chandler Bing Stephenson is. I wonder if Vegas is going to try to lean on Cody Glass to develop quickly and push for the 2nd C role. Center is iffy for VGK right now.