[News] Auston Matthews tests positive for COVID-19

[blender]

Originally Posted by Passe La Puck

That is literally the official tally. You can argue under reporting of cases and/or deaths but the official count shows 5%.

I dont believe it and you shouldn't either. A virus with this level of communicability and a 2 week incubation period could be a civilization-ender at 5% mortality.

The numbers are grossly incomplete and should not be trusted. It's misinformation like this that causes hysteria.
Edit to add that I want to be 100% clear that I am NOT in the camp that thinks this is no big deal or that wants hockey above all else. My mother is in an assisted living home and my father is elderly and out in the world. I am very concerned for people's safety and well being. The only thing I am commenting in is the fact that just because Austin Matthew's and 10 other players tested positive, I don't see it as a reason to abandon the plan to resume games. I feel as if positive tests are inevitable as all these players are returning from all over the globe. Test, isolate, test some more.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That would be great and quite unprecedented. Just for argument sake, lets say they have a vaccine figured out by January 1.

Now, how long will it take to develop and produce billions of doses? 2 months? 3? 6?

While normally you would be correct, we are in such a unique situation that companies have already started mass producing the best candidates before the tests are finished. So unless the winner of the vaccine race is a surprise dark horse candidate, there's a good chance that by the time it gets approved, the product will be ready to shift basically the next day.

That's just one example, there are other companies doing the same with different vaccine candidates. Vaccines aren't ultimately THAT expensive to mass produce, so while the financial risk involved is not insignificant, it's not something that would seriously risk the bottom line of most medical companies (especially since government subsidies are often involved) if they happen to take a bet on a vaccine that doesn't end up getting approved.

Most likely countries will also fast track their own approval procedures, and since the approval of a vaccine will come with plenty of forewarning, well governed western countries, especially ones with a large public healthcare sector (that are easier for governments to order around), such as Canada and Finland will likely have a plan and logistics in place to get the vaccine to people at a pace never before seen in history.

Now, I'm saying that all with a bit of trepidation, because I think this situation has created a unique situation where things could also go horribly wrong in unprecedented ways.

The pressure to approve a vaccine will be enormous, so that's one thing.

Another is of course the issue of not-well-governed countries. Let's say the orange nutcase manages to cheat his way into another victory, all bets are off. He has already demonstrated multiple times that he sees the covid-19 vaccine as a chance for unprecedented profits

[Mickey76]

Personally I don’t care about the 19-20 season at all. As a matter of fact as a fan I’d rather they just cancelled and focused on 20-21. But most of the world is opening up slowly, realistically, are the players all that much higher risk playing as they are wherever and however they are already living? If I was an NHL’er I think I would assess the situation as I might catch regardless so let’s get back playing and making money.

As far as vaccines I think everything we are hearing is wildly optimistic. I hope I’m wrong but if a vaccine is 2 years away I don’t think any players want to wait that long.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by Mickey76

Personally I don’t care about the 19-20 season at all. As a matter of fact as a fan I’d rather they just cancelled and focused on 20-21. But most of the world is opening up slowly, realistically, are the players all that much higher risk playing as they are wherever and however they are already living? If I was an NHL’er I think I would assess the situation as I might catch regardless so let’s get back playing and making money.

As far as vaccines I think everything we are hearing is wildly optimistic. I hope I’m wrong but if a vaccine is 2 years away I don’t think any players want to wait that long.

What we know about treating covid could be radically different in 6 months time.

Either way I'm willing to let the players decide whether they want to risk being in the 1% dead camp, the 5% (or whatever) career ended camp, or 90% bad flu camp. I'm willing to bet at least 10% aren't willing to risk it.

People keep talking as if there's no context to this question -- is if it's just a binary "you're dead or you're fine, that's just the rate, and everyone's going to get it". That's simplistic thinking. Anyone who things this is simple isn't paying attention.

[AC]

I know for a fact from a connected source to a player that the Coyotes have "A lot." of positive cases. They're trying to suppress the news according to him.

No surprise given Arizona right now.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by AC

I know for a fact from a connected source to a player that the Coyotes have "A lot." of positive cases. They're trying to suppress the news according to him.

No surprise given Arizona right now.

Yeah, that's probably going to be the case with both Arizona and Florida.

The issue is till they don't get people into a bubble, this is going to continue happening.

[Mickey76]

Originally Posted by sempuki

What we know about treating covid could be radically different in 6 months time.

Either way I'm willing to let the players decide whether they want to risk being in the 1% dead camp, the 5% (or whatever) career ended camp, or 90% bad flu camp. I'm willing to bet at least 10% aren't willing to risk it.

People keep talking as if there's no context to this question -- is if it's just a binary "you're dead or you're fine, that's just the rate, and everyone's going to get it". That's simplistic thinking. Anyone who things this is simple isn't paying attention.

You are right I hadn’t really thought about it that way. When I envision myself as an NHL’er I imagine myself as a 4th liner who is one half step away from his career being over. I would play I would have probably played in China in February. But for someone like Connor McDavid the risk is high and the reward not terribly high. If play resumes do players have the option to just not report(if they are worried etc.) without fear of consequence?

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by sempuki

What we know about treating covid could be radically different in 6 months time.

Either way I'm willing to let the players decide whether they want to risk being in the 1% dead camp, the 5% (or whatever) career ended camp, or 90% bad flu camp. I'm willing to bet at least 10% aren't willing to risk it.

People keep talking as if there's no context to this question -- is if it's just a binary "you're dead or you're fine, that's just the rate, and everyone's going to get it". That's simplistic thinking. Anyone who things this is simple isn't paying attention.

Young, healthy individuals aren't dying from Covid. In my opinion, the death rate from Covid of NHL players if the 2019-2020 season is completed will be 0%.

The question is not "do we stop training camps and the season because those involved will die?", it's "do we stop training camps and the season because there will be outbreaks that will lead to significantly more cases in the neutral site cities?".

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I find the "Players are young and in great shape. If a very small handful of players suffer long term health complications it's worth the players taking the risk so I can get my hockey fix." crowd a disturbing quite frankly.

Sure glad you got all those 'thanks' but I don't think anyone is saying that, let alone a crowd.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Young, healthy individuals aren't dying from Covid. In my opinion, the death rate from Covid of NHL players if the 2019-2020 season is completed will be 0%.

The question is not "do we stop training camps and the season because those involved will die?", it's "do we stop training camps and the season because there will be outbreaks that will lead to significantly more cases in the neutral site cities?".



Sure glad you got all those 'thanks' but I don't think anyone is saying that, let alone a crowd.

I'm sure NHL players are sleeping better now that you have declared it's totally safe for them because no player will die.

[savemedrzaius]

Is Matthews the only NHL player to have gotten covid?

I haven't heard any other specific players named in the media of contracting the virus.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Young, healthy individuals aren't dying from Covid. In my opinion, the death rate from Covid of NHL players if the 2019-2020 season is completed will be 0%.

The question is not "do we stop training camps and the season because those involved will die?", it's "do we stop training camps and the season because there will be outbreaks that will lead to significantly more cases in the neutral site cities?

It's not about dying. Players are worried about how the virus will affect their lungs long term should they get it. It could be career damaging if they lose some of their lung capacity.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Dion

It's not about dying. Players are worried about how the virus will affect their lungs long term should they get it. It could be career damaging if they lose some of their lung capacity.

exactly, drives me crazy when people act like if you didn't die it doesn't matter...we know very little about the long term effects of this virus. I had pneumonia once and it took over a year to get back to feeling normal.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Is Matthews the only NHL player to have gotten covid?

I haven't heard any other specific players named in the media of contracting the virus.

No. There have been a few confirmed cases in Ottawa, Arizona, and Tampa Bay (and maybe a few more I can’t remember).

I believe Matthews is the only one to be named and Nikita Zaitsev was heavily speculated.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by blender

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, but if you believe that 5% of the people infected with Covid 19 are dying from it I've got some land you might be interested in.

Agree. CBC article from 3 days ago show Canada
has a death rate of 22 per 100,000 population (seasonal flu rate is 13 per 100,000 WITH a vaccine). We all know it is different but the stats show the majority of fatal cases are from dense populations of older people (seniors lodges or dense senior populations like Italy). Then China only reports 83,000 total cases and 4900 deaths, how can you possibly believe that number. It was also released last week that up to 40% of Covid 19 cases in New York that were reported weren't actually Covid cases but underlying issues that were reported as Covid cases because of how much money the hospital got per Covid case v. others.

And how to you believe the CDC or WHO when day-to-day and week-to-week they contradict themselves, masks are bad - you must wear a mask, etc.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/covid...bunk-1.5615872

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

No. There have been a few confirmed cases in Ottawa, Arizona, and Tampa Bay (and maybe a few more I can’t remember).

I believe Matthews is the only one to be named and Nikita Zaitsev was heavily speculated.

So how is it possible only Matthews name has been leaked? I know Steve Simmons is King ###### but not one other player?

It seems like it's a privacy thing and I wonder if Matthews would have a case against Simmons.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

So how is it possible only Matthews name has been leaked? I know Steve Simmons is King ###### but not one other player?

It seems like it's a privacy thing and I wonder if Matthews would have a case against Simmons.

I guess anything can happen but I can't see a player suing a journalist for reporting their covid result. It's definitely an invasion of privacy if he somehow got a doctor to talk or got his hands on a report, but beyond that if he got it from Matthews' friend, then I guess it's not all that creepy, and probably isn't worth the players time to get him. I wonder where you draw the line with something like this though. It's certainly not as evasive as a life threatening disease or an STD, but I guess there's an unwritten rule in journalism that you don't report this stuff. Every reporter probably knows the players who tested positive, but just don't report it for ethical reasons.

[Passe La Puck]

Originally Posted by blender

I dont believe it and you shouldn't either. A virus with this level of communicability and a 2 week incubation period could be a civilization-ender at 5% mortality.

You don’t believe 8M people got it or you don’t believe 500k died?

[blender]

Originally Posted by Passe La Puck

You don’t believe 8M people got it or you don’t believe 500k died?

I do not believe that covid 19 kills 5% of the people who contract it.

I do not believe the numbers you are referring to are accurate.

Edit to add that I think what we are seeing reported is number of cases confirmed through testing. But the reality which has been widely acknowledged is that cases are being unreported, possibly greatly. Even now testing is limited, and for months there was almost no testing at all outside of hospitals treating very sick patients.
When the data is compiled and antibody testing is done on larger numbers of people the lethality rate will be much lower.
It doesn't mean it is not serious.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Passe La Puck

You don’t believe 8M people got it or you don’t believe 500k died?

Way more than 8M people have had Covid 19.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Way more than 8M people have had Covid 19.

If you google it it is reported that 8.9m cases have confirmed.

It is certain that the true number is greater, yes.