[PGT] Flames throw up another stinker, lose 3-0 to Arizona

[Duffalufagus]

Has there ever been a player that, up until the all-star break the year before, was considered a legit Hart candidate that has fallen off a cliff this badly? Johnny was being talked about as one of the best players in the league until mid-feb last year. Now he is a liability on his own team.

Monahan has unfortunately regressed to the point where all the criticism (or lack of credit) he was getting has also turned out to be true since the all-star break. Sucks.

This team currently has no elite players. And inexplicably took on the worst contract in the NHL this offseason.

No way this team makes the playoffs. But for great goaltending this team would be in basement of the Western Conference.

That Avs series destroyed this team. Blow it up. Get something Johnny before he walks to Philly.

[colbym72]

Oh baby Fan 960 has Sylvia

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That’s cherry picking a stat I think. Percentage wise they were 18th. That’s not good enough. Nowhere near good enough.

They count goals to win games, not percentages.

Maybe something a little different should be tried but this is all about those on the ice who routinely blow 8 foot passes either into skates or to no one, those who shoot a foot wide from 15 feet away.....execution just isnt there and hasnt been for a good chunk of this year.

[flamingred89]

*sigh* this is why I was so bummed when they bombed out of the playoffs last year. That was a great season for them to do something special. Now they’re just slogging in mediocrity again.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This is not on the coaches...this is entirely about players that just dont care enough to play the way they need to succeed.

That *may* be true, but it's hard to know without being fully aware of what the "system" is.

There's a few questions to figure out first:

- does the system suck (ie poor idea overall)?
- does the system fit the players (small players may not be able to bang & crash effectively; big ones might not be able to move fast enough)?
- does the style of play actually work in today's NHL (if a lot of "obstruction" is intentional, it might not be...)?
- have the coaches communicated the system effectively enough with the players (video and blah)?

The above are all on the coaches...then one can query the players:

- even if all the above are not the case, do the players have the will to execute in EVERY game? (If not, what are the coaches gonna do about it?)

Oddly, it's not that different from consulting to businesses that are having issues.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by New Era

Will you please STFU about the guy who got the 2nd lowest amount of ice time on the team today, like he's responsible for anything? I mean, don't worry about the guys who are paid to make difference, and get the ice time to make a difference, who don't make a difference, let's focus on the guys who are working with seven minutes of even strength ice time.



This is a team than needs an enema, starting with Johnny Gaudreau. This is a guy that doesn't look like he wants to be here. Accommodate him. Move him out and improve the team just by having players that want to be here. If you can't find enough of those, maybe its time to re-think everything.

Janko isnt being blamed for the team sucking but wasn’t he suppose to be building on the last couple seasons? Maybe pushing for more ice time?

He has literally done NOTHING in 19 games this season. Nothing!

Flames have too many nothing players right now. Janko, Lucic, Frolik, Rieder, etc etc etc... take your pick.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Peters isn't a bad coach, but he's not elite.

The Flames have maybe one or two elite players, a few good players, and a ton of plugs.

Not a well constructed roster. They've tried a carousel of goalies, fired entire coaching staffs (except Sigalet) and still barely made any noise.

The guy building Calgary isn't good enough at it. Bottom line.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Janko isnt being blamed for the team sucking but wasn’t he suppose to be building on the last couple seasons? Maybe pushing for more ice time?

He has literally done NOTHING in 19 games this season. Nothing!

Flames have too many nothing players right now. Janko, Lucic, Frolik, Rieder, etc etc etc... take your pick.

Add Backlund. His lack of contribution is a disaster for this team. As much as the star players are an issue I’d say the complete lack of secondary scoring might be the bigger issue

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Icon

To be honest, with the way they have played in the majority of games, I'm completely shocked at where they are in the standings. BSD carrying this team.

They have played more games than other teams, therefore it looks better than it is.


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[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Flames have too many nothing players right now. Janko, Lucic, Frolik, Rieder, etc etc etc... take your pick.

You forgot Ryan, Bennett, Backlund, and Mangiapagne. Hell, you can throw Johnny Hockey in there too. There are plenty of players who get ice time opportunity and aren't doing much. But again, lets focus on the 4th liners and blame them for the #### show this team is.

[TheScorpion]

The Flames have 10 first-period goals this season in 23 games and have only scored the first goal of the game 8 times.

That's by far the biggest problem with the team, IMO. Not even close.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Flames have 10 first-period goals this season in 23 games and have only scored the first goal of the game 8 times.

That's by far the biggest problem with the team, IMO. Not even close.

At the end of the day the team is limp...limp at best everywhere. It makes little sense, but that's how it is

[zamler]

Flames are playing a grinding NJ style game don't know if that's by design or what but it sucks.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by zamler

Flames are playing a grinding NJ style game don't know if that's by design or what but it sucks.

Yeah, way way too much dump and chase happening - but it’s happening because they can’t break out of their own zone cleanly and generate speed on the rush.

When was the last time we looked good on a 3 on 2 rush? Or even stretched their forwards out enough to generate odd man rushes with any consistency?

Horrid hockey made worse by the fact we lose more games than we win.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by zamler

Flames are playing a grinding NJ style game don't know if that's by design or what but it sucks.

It's a philosophy from the top down.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

It's a philosophy from the top down.

My theory or maybe fear is it took awhile for the players to buy into the Peters system and what we're seeing now is exactly that. Really want to be wrong on this.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by zamler

My theory or maybe fear is it took awhile for the players to buy into the Peters system and what we're seeing now is exactly that. Really want to be wrong on this.

I think Peters changed his style too, because of the Avs series.

It takes a hockey player maybe a month to change styles of play. This strategy he's using now wasn't what got the Flames into the playoffs last season.

They need to just go all-out attack and stop caring about being defensively sound. It's not working anyway.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, way way too much dump and chase happening - but it’s happening because they can’t break out of their own zone cleanly and generate speed on the rush.

When was the last time we looked good on a 3 on 2 rush? Or even stretched their forwards out enough to generate odd man rushes with any consistency?

Horrid hockey made worse by the fact we lose more games than we win.

Flames hit the post on a well played 3 on 2 about 2 hours ago

Flames are struggling but they aren't alone

Vegas, SJ, Toronto ect....such a fine line in the league...pretty silly to give up on the season

[Itse]

I still think they'll win more playoff games than last season.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by zamler

My theory or maybe fear is it took awhile for the players to buy into the Peters system and what we're seeing now is exactly that. Really want to be wrong on this.

That might be it. Flames may have not really bought into his system until the second half last year. The 1st half of last year was definitely an anomaly compared to Peters historical coaching record. The Canes appear to have improved since his departure.