[Rumour] UPD: Canes will try to trade Adam Fox after he indicates he will not sign with them

[smiggy77]

Originally Posted by Burner

every team flies on chartered private jets - and there is always food at the arena including chefs around after the morning skate to make sure they are fed right.

No most teams take commercial airliner chartered jets that stop at the main airports.

Private jets stop at private secluded airports.

Yes, but when your team is making 100 million more than the rest, there is significant additional perks where the players are treated really well.

I'll see where I can dig up the article from years ago about this.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Burner

every team flies on chartered private jets - and there is always food at the arena including chefs around after the morning skate to make sure they are fed right.

While obviously true, this takes basically nothing away from Smiggy77's point. It's no secret than the Rangers have more money than Carolina.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by smiggy77

No most teams take commercial airliner chartered jets that stop at the main airports.

Private jets stop at private secluded airports.

Yes, but when your team is making 100 million more than the rest, there is significant additional perks where the players are treated really well.

I'll see where I can dig up the article from years ago about this.

not to mention, its NYC

that has an allure all on its own...while i understand it isn't for everyone, if you are rich, young and an athlete in NYC, you could have a damn good time living in Manhattan.

[FanIn80]

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[Sutter4Mayor]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

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[Tyler]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

not to mention, its NYC

that has an allure all on its own...while i understand it isn't for everyone, if you are rich, young and an athlete in NYC, you could have a damn good time living in Manhattan.

Yeah. Poor Kevin Hayes. From Broadway to Portage & Main. Oof

[Split98]

I really wish they'd fix this with the NCAA. Alan is the latest example, but there seems to be one or two black eyes every off-season and there's still no fix?

I think it's awesome that these guys have a chance to finish their education, as the NHL career is short and a Harvard education to go along with your NHL millions pays off a mountain of hard work to get there (imagine being NHL calibre and Harvard educated). The NHL doesn't need to be packed with slight 18 year olds anyway.

But, it's a negative instead. The Canes (would have been the Flames) get screwed and it's an odd avenue to get to the NHL. Let the kids finish education if that's their route, and let the NHL team that drafted them have the same post-education ELC opportunities they have with their other draftees.

But it's silly that this isn't fixed yet. I would love to see more kids coming from the NCAA and U Sports route, but the NCAA route is worrisome to anyone investing draft picks. I would love to see a common thought start moving through prospects in 'should I spend 2-4 more years dominating these junior leagues... or do I go to College/University to grow my game and career?'.

[CliffFletcher]

Funny how many people around here dismissed concerns about Fox (and other drafted college players) not signing with the Flames. We were told it almost never happens.

Well, it happens. There's a legit risk in drafting players - especially American-born players - who go the college route. Management needs to take this risk into account when drafting, same way they have to take the Russian factor into account.

[Burner]

Originally Posted by smiggy77

No most teams take commercial airliner chartered jets that stop at the main airports.

Private jets stop at private secluded airports.

Yes, but when your team is making 100 million more than the rest, there is significant additional perks where the players are treated really well.

I'll see where I can dig up the article from years ago about this.

Be interested to read it - most NHL Teams have chartered busses that leave the arena and drive right up to the plane on the tarmac - they clear security in the building so really not sure what great perk a private secluded airport is.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by kermitology

It. Is. Not. A. Loophole.

The NHL treats college and junior players the same. Two years to sign a junior player, or they re-enter the draft, two more years to sign or they become UFA. Just like college. It’s a trade off, sign the player early and leave him in junior, or he re-enters the draft, or hold his rights for 4 years, but signing him ends his eligibility in college.

The NCAA needs to stop prohibiting their athletes from signing contracts, at which point they should be allowed to be treated exactly like junior players.

The NHL should do nothing. You’ve invested nothing but an opportunity in the player. They owe the drafting team nothing.

For sure it's not a loop hole, but it effectively is given how the four years roll out for the two cases.

College kids play and go to school while picking up stats and building their payday.

Junior kids play two overage years, go back into the draft, don't sign again and then do what?

Effectively they're different even if officially they're the same.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by smiggy77

Lol I don't get the hate for Cobra. While maybe not majority of the board, a lot of people were freaking out and calling for Tre's head.

Ain't nothing wrong with calling out the people who pull out the pitchforks at every opportunity.

I think he would have been fine if he didn't toss out the word majority.

There was certainly a large contingent that went way over the top to the negative on that fateful afternoon.

I liked the deal from the get go, but it just got better and better and better since.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by kermitology

The NCAA needs to stop prohibiting their athletes from signing contracts, at which point they should be allowed to be treated exactly like junior players.

That's not going to happen. Why would the NCAA change their system to make the NHL happy?

Originally Posted by kermitology

The NHL should do nothing. You’ve invested nothing but an opportunity in the player. They owe the drafting team nothing.

The NHL works for the owners. If enough owners are unhappy about getting left with nothing from drafted NCAA players, the NHL will change its rules. Because the NHL has no influence with the NCAA.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by smiggy77

Lol I don't get the hate for Cobra. While maybe not majority of the board, a lot of people were freaking out and calling for Tre's head.

Ain't nothing wrong with calling out the people who pull out the pitchforks at every opportunity.

If you go by simple definition of majority as 50% + 1 and limit that to the people who were posting in that thread than cobra is quite right. More people were calling for Tre’s head than those who liked the trade.

[Fuzz]

If a drafted player decides not to sign, could they not return that pick in the next years draft? So say you have the 15th pick in 2018, he doesn't sign, then in 2019 you get the 15th pick again, and everyone behind drops one slot?

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think he would have been fine if he didn't toss out the word majority.

There was certainly a large contingent that went way over the top to the negative on that fateful afternoon.

I liked the deal from the get go, but it just got better and better and better since.

The trade was a great example of how I personally over-value Flames players, even when I didn't think I did.

I was stunned that they moved Hamilton, and at first completely ignored the return. Then I heard Fox was included and it made it worse. Yet, here the Flames were getting two core pieces back for one, a player who had played himself out of the roster/salary structure, and an unknown. Forced me to take a step back and evaluate things more objectively.

Who cares about the Canes, the Flames got substantially better with this trade. I'm happy Dougie is slotting in well with a Carolina team that surprised me, and I hope Ferland gets his payday and has a long career. I'm indifferent to Fox.

[Vinny01]

This typically only happens in late round picks that drastically increase their value after their draft. Vesey was a 3rd rounder as was Fox. Hayes was a 1st rounder and maybe the Hawks could have signed him if they made the effort earlier.

Most 1st rounders will sign with their team because they only play 1 year old college max and are unlikely to wait out the 4 years.

Flames are fortunate that Jankowski signed when he could have walked and obviously happy they got Johnny to leave early

[FlamesAddiction]

You can't really compare junior hockey players to college players because college players have more incentive to not sign.

No junior player is going to refuse an NHL contract just so they can play a couple of extra years in junior. They might refuse if they are close to re-entering the draft and their draft team is low balling them or maybe if they really hated the team that draft them and want to roll the dice 2 years later. But how many examples are there of junior players that refuse to sign so they can play out 4 years in junior?

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

If I've read the draft rules correctly, an individual doesn't necessarily have to "opt in" into the draft if they're of a certain age. If you can be drafted without your consent, I don't see any problem with players maximizing their leverage.

[Strange Brew]

Maybe one question is why don’t more junior players take the opportunity their hockey skill provides and pursue a college education?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Yamer

The trade was a great example of how I personally over-value Flames players, even when I didn't think I did.

I was stunned that they moved Hamilton, and at first completely ignored the return. Then I heard Fox was included and it made it worse. Yet, here the Flames were getting two core pieces back for one, a player who had played himself out of the roster/salary structure, and an unknown. Forced me to take a step back and evaluate things more objectively.

Who cares about the Canes, the Flames got substantially better with this trade. I'm happy Dougie is slotting in well with a Carolina team that surprised me, and I hope Ferland gets his payday and has a long career. I'm indifferent to Fox.

I really appreciate this kind of post. So much better to read than the self congratulatory pats on the back or the attacks on other posters.

I had no idea Lindholm was this good. I thought they received little to no value for Fox. And I thought there was a good chance they traded away the two best players in the deal.

I am pleasantly surprised at how the deal has turned out so far and will readily admit I was wrong.

Now let’s hope the playoffs turn out to be as rewarding as the regular season has been. That where the real winners are decided.