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Brick · 02-19-2019, 05:39 PM

The Flames won't be able to hang onto all of their young defencemen because of the upcoming Seattle expansion.

FlamesAddiction · 02-19-2019, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Brick

The Flames won't be able to hang onto all of their young defencemen because of the upcoming Seattle expansion.

But next season, having young defensemen that can play in the NHL on ELCs will be a huge advantage. There will be time after next season to trade on if we need to. Plus some of those defensemen will likely raise their value before we need to worry about it.

Not that I am against trading one of the return is great, but the expansion draft isn't until after next season.

DomeFoam · 02-19-2019, 05:49 PM

Why do you think the Sens would want Brodie? 28 year old defensemen don't really align with the end goal for the Sens at this point in time which is to draft and develop a good young core around Tkachuk and Chabot. They're also already shopping Ceci who is comparable to Brodie yet 3 years younger.

Vinny01 · 02-19-2019, 05:52 PM

Ceci is not comparable to Brodie other than they play the same position. One is top pair the other is bottom pair. Agree that the Sens don’t want Brodie and highly unlikely the Flames are shopping him during the season.

DomeFoam · 02-19-2019, 05:55 PM

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Ceci is not comparable to Brodie other than they play the same position. One is top pair the other is bottom pair. Agree that the Sens don’t want Brodie and highly unlikely the Flames are shopping him during the season.

Ceci has an average of :36 more TOI than Brodie and Brodie only returned to the top pairing just this season?

nightfx · 02-19-2019, 06:04 PM

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Ceci has an average of :36 more TOI than Brodie and Brodie only returned to the top pairing just this season?

If you go by that logic then Adam Larsson and Darnell Nurse are also comparable to Brodie.

GreenLantern2814 · 02-19-2019, 06:22 PM

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Ceci has an average of :36 more TOI than Brodie and Brodie only returned to the top pairing just this season?

Brodie is a point away from six consecutive 30 point seasons. He plays in all situations and yes, there's a Gio boost, but he's still a damn good player, and he's better than Cody Ceci. This is not arguable.

dammage79 · 02-19-2019, 06:23 PM

I think Ceci has a higher cap hit too.

GreenLantern2814 · 02-19-2019, 06:28 PM

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I think Ceci has a higher cap hit too.

No, he's at 4.3, but he's also an RFA this summer, so that'll probably end up north of 5. Still rather have Brodie.

dammage79 · 02-19-2019, 06:34 PM

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No, he's at 4.3, but he's also an RFA this summer, so that'll probably end up north of 5. Still rather have Brodie.

Hmm, though he was at 5. something a year.

Either way, Brodie is better than Ceci and would be in their top 3 D men. Worthy enough for Ottawa to move Duchene for in a trade.

MisterJoji · 02-19-2019, 06:43 PM

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The Flames are going to lose a young defenceman to Seattle . That’s pretty much guaranteed so you may as well trade one , Kylington, now if the deal is right. Flames can only protect 3 ? So they would be Hanafin, Anderson and Valimaki. They will expose Giordano because Seattle would never take him. Kylington will be traded unless the team is allowed to cut a deal with Seattle? (Is this still allowed after the Vegas fallout?) I would think that Brodie will be traded next year as well to keep costs down

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The Flames won't be able to hang onto all of their young defencemen because of the upcoming Seattle expansion.

Never discount the wizard. There are boundless options to work out a deal for Seattle to not select a certain player.

GreenLantern2814 · 02-19-2019, 06:54 PM

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Never discount the wizard. There are boundless options to work out a deal for Seattle to not select a certain player.

Everyone who made a deal to have Vegas not select X in exchange for Y regrets it.

Florida should've let them take whoever they wanted, Columbus lost a 40G centre, Anaheim didn't keep a player better than Shea Theodore, and Minnesota would trade Dumba for Haula and Tuch yesterday if you gave them that choice again.

Seattle can only take one. If the Flames go 4/4, you lose one of Andersson/Kylington/Brodie/Backlund. You can replace all of them, especially if you still have a 1st round pick that you didn't gift your new division rival.

GranteedEV · 02-19-2019, 07:11 PM

There are two and a half years until expansion. A lot will change over that time. A lot CAN change over that time. Cap crunches. Career ending injuries. Breakout seasons. Steep early declines.

Put this into perspective: Going into 2013, many people wanted us to ask Giordano to waive his NMC so we could get a good return on him to a contender for the rebuild along with Iggy and JBo. That was 29yo Gio, most thought he was gonna decline soon and there was no point having a 30 year old around for a rebuild.

Who know what happens by June 2021? That can not influence decision making in 2019. We have to see these kids through to 2021, not sell early on them before we know how they shape up. Maybe Gaudreau is the guy we lose to expansion because he doesn't plan on re-signing here.

browna · 02-19-2019, 07:27 PM

Stone would be very interesting, Duchene, not so much. Both would be over paid in the Flames current hierarchy, which would sort itself out eventually. I think Duchene more as a complimentary player, Stone a bit more than that. Certainly some Eastern press hype around both.

I'm still fine with a Zuccarello Hayes combo. Zuch a rental Hayes for a couple year contract with his good BC Pal JG. Cheaper then either of those Sens players in salary and probably acquisition cost too...and you get two forwards.

EldrickOnIce · 02-19-2019, 07:34 PM

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If you go by that logic then Adam Larsson and Darnell Nurse are also comparable to Brodie.

I understand what you are saying, but not in this context. I expect both are quite comparable to Brodie.

Fire · 02-19-2019, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brick

The Flames won't be able to hang onto all of their young defencemen because of the upcoming Seattle expansion.

Except trading a young defenseman now would just mean losing another good defenseman in the expansion draft.

Vinny01 · 02-19-2019, 07:35 PM

I heard Johnston on the fan on my drive home talking about Duchene and the Preda. He was stating how Duchene is not a real big city guy and the smaller market does appeal to him. It appeared he was close to signing with Ottawa I just don’t think he could commit to that tire fire for the rest of his prime. With reports he is interested in signing with his new team there is potential that he is a long term piece which is what Conroy states the team would consider moving their first for.

Treliving always talks about building from the back end and up the middle. He has spent a lot of time building his blueline through trade and draft. The team has Monahan and Backlund with 4 and 5 more years on their deals. Locking up Duchene sets them up down the middle as an elite center ice group for the foreseeable future.

Interesting scenario for Treliving to be negotiating a trade for one of two players on the same team. I think both Stone and Duchene would be open to a long term deal here and while Stone really fills a known spot on the team, Duchene strengthens one of the most important positions in hockey.

If the Flames are in on Duchene I think Jankowski would be a piece going the other way. With Janko and a 1st I wouldn’t want to send a top prospect like Dube along with that package but maybe Gillis and Mangiapane?

GreenLantern2814 · 02-19-2019, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

I heard Johnston on the fan on my drive home talking about Duchene and the Preda. He was stating how Duchene is not a real big city guy and the smaller market does appeal to him. It appeared he was close to signing with Ottawa I just don’t think he could commit to that tire fire for the rest of his prime. With reports he is interested in signing with his new team there is potential that he is a long term piece which is what Conroy states the team would consider moving their first for.

Treliving always talks about building from the back end and up the middle. He has spent a lot of time building his blueline through trade and draft. The team has Monahan and Backlund with 4 and 5 more years on their deals. Locking up Duchene sets them up down the middle as an elite center ice group for the foreseeable future.

Interesting scenario for Treliving to be negotiating a trade for one of two players on the same team. I think both Stone and Duchene would be open to a long term deal here and while Stone really fills a known spot on the team, Duchene strengthens one of the most important positions in hockey.

If the Flames are in on Duchene I think Jankowski would be a piece going the other way. With Janko and a 1st I wouldn’t want to send a top prospect like Dube along with that package but maybe Gillis and Mangiapane?

If your top 4 centres are Monahan, Backlund, Duchene and Ryan, you can trade Dube. You have to - Mangiapane has no trade value, and Gillies has a GAA sniffing 4 in the AHL.

When you inevitably run into salary cap issues, you can trade Backlund for something positive.

oldschoolcalgary · 02-19-2019, 07:46 PM

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Except trading a young defenseman now would just mean losing another good defenseman in the expansion draft.

its going to be tough for any of the top teams because of their depth... everyone is going to lose someone, so the question is how to manage it.

option A is keeping all the assets and giving the seattle a number of guys to choose from

option B is selling a bunch of guys you know you won't have space to protect.

it does beg the question of who is actually draftable.

IIRC Engelland was actually a UFA at the time of the expansion, but counted as the player selected from Calgary...

if we kept Brodie, conceivably, he'd be considered the calgary selection if Seattle tabbed him...though if they didn't you could lose him for nothing as the window gets very small... the expansion draft is June 21st while UFA day is July 1st i believe...or you do sign him but expose him, with the belief one of the dmen would get picked

tough choices will have to be made, though there's time to figure things out.

Can only imagine who TB will lose

Vinny01 · 02-19-2019, 07:52 PM

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If your top 4 centres are Monahan, Backlund, Duchene and Ryan, you can trade Dube. You have to - Mangiapane has no trade value, and Gillies has a GAA sniffing 4 in the AHL.

When you inevitably run into salary cap issues, you can trade Backlund for something positive.

I suppose that’s true. Jankowski, Dube, 1st for a signed Duchene is a good deal for Ottawa if you ask me and it puts the Flames in full Cup contention mode.

If we give up the same return for a signed Stone I am also fine with that I suppose but our center depth takes a massive hit. I don’t think a team in the league would have 4 better top 6 wingers than Calgary. We would have Ryan as our 3C or potentially would need to shift Lindholm to center