Great, please list all those slights with sources. I will give you one, he was upset he didn't make the team in his tryout. You fill in the rest. Good luck.
While in a Flames uniform.
All-pro, on ice behavior:
Quote from Kerry Fraser:
Theo skates over to me and says, “You little ####bag #######. Come outside to the parking lot after the game. I’ll kill you.”
Speaking of Gaudreau:
“There’s only one Theo Fleury,” says the one Theo Fleury, when asked about the Flames’ new diminutive talent.
Real face of the franchise stuff...
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The NHL isn't pro football, most respected pros in hockey are modest and don't pump their own tires publicly. If you interview publicly like the Donald Trump of hockey, you can expect not to be in the Hall or have your number retired.
That's the problem... The hockey hall of fame or retiring a number shouldn't be a personality based achievement. It should be strictly based on how great of a hockey player you were. The best NHL players should be in the hall of fame, not the ones with the best personalities.
All-pro, on ice behavior:
Quote from Kerry Fraser:
Theo skates over to me and says, “You little ####bag #######. Come outside to the parking lot after the game. I’ll kill you.”
Real face of the franchise stuff...
Ahahaha!!!! I have met Kerry Fraser and he has heard crap like that from just about a thousand hockey players back in the day! Theo also apologized to him after the game. Players would say terrible things to officials and then say sorry, coaches too. There was not a microphone everywhere like today. Things are a lot different now.
Anyhow now that we know it is about Iginla I am dropping the Fleury talk in this thread. Congrats to number 12, well deserved! Do it right and retire the number.
There's no way 28 should be retired. Not even if we won in 04 IMO. It'll never happen.
34 shouldn't be retired either, even though Kipper was a better goalie than Vernon. Fleury was the face of the franchise for many years and put up crazy numbers. 14 should be up there for sure.
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That's the problem... The hockey hall of fame or retiring a number shouldn't be a personality based achievement. It should be strictly based on how great of a hockey player you were. The best NHL players should be in the hall of fame, not the ones with the best personalities.
Ok, so if you are a vocal racist, but put up all-pro numbers that qualifies you? Professional Athlete is a very public profession, you can be sure that your public interactions will be judged. That is just the way society works.
To be deemed Hall of Fame worthy in any sport your public image should be very much considered.
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Ok, so even though they botched it why is MacInnis up in the rafters and not Fleury?
Not the discussion...you stated this emphatically
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Chopper was a great player but to say he was on the same level of Fleury or Iggy is ridiculous.
It's empirically and unequivocally untrue.
To answer your question though?
Educated guess is....
Because Theo's behaviour around the people in the orginization when he was a Flame (some of who are still there) was such that he left a very bad impression on them.
MacInnis had no such impact on them even though he to had an infamous off ice incident here.
None of that should take away from what either guy accomplished on the ice though and chopper is most certainly in the top 3 guys to ever play in Calgary.
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Glad they are retiring Iginla's jersey, too bad they didn't wait until the end of the season BOA. Would have been nice to see in person.
On the Fleury topic, to people who constantly say "Fleury was cocky, Fleury had a bad attitude, etc.."
Fleury playing with that chip on his shoulder, playing on the edge, is what made him the player he was. He would not have overcome all of the adversity he did and became the player he was, in the era that he did it in, without that chip on his shoulder.
It is too bad that he went over the edge for a very small portion of his career while playing in Chicago, but in Calgary he was a feisty player who wouldn't back down from anything. Like it or not, he is one of the best Flames ever and deserves to have his number retired.
Happy they are doing the right thing with Iginla and none of that dumb FAF stuff.
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To be deemed Hall of Fame worthy in any sport your public image should be very much considered.
You mean a guy like Pro Football Hall of Famer O.J. Simpson?
Or a guy like Baseball Hall of Famer Ty Cobb - A violent racist who reformed in his old age long after his induction.
I am sure the HHOF list includes many inductees who have said nasty things/done nasty things/allegedly said/done nasty things. (Hull and Gilmour come immediately to mind.) Many have publicly walked out on their teams (Roy, Nieuy, Gilmour), some have intentionally tried to injure other players (Clarke, Smith).
One's actual career has to be the upmost main consideration.
(as to another argument - the one area where Fleury eclipsed MacInnis is in recognition- I cheer for the Flames from the heart of Laff Nation and the only 2 flames they remember from the 90's are Fleury and Gilmour.)
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Ok, so if you are a vocal racist, but put up all-pro numbers that qualifies you? Professional Athlete is a very public profession, you can be sure that your public interactions will be judged. That is just the way society works.
To be deemed Hall of Fame worthy in any sport your public image should be very much considered.
Obviously a racist or a murderer shouldn't be inducted. Be reasonable with your comparisons. You'd be kidding yourself if you think there aren't players with similar demeanor as Theo's that are inducted in the Hall of Fame or had their numbers retired. Again it shouldn't be a personality contest.
There's no way 28 should be retired. Not even if we won in 04 IMO. It'll never happen.
34 shouldn't be retired either, even though Kipper was a better goalie than Vernon. Fleury was the face of the franchise for many years and put up crazy numbers. 14 should be up there for sure.
Hopefully one day 28 is retired for the multiple time Stanley Cup champ Elias Lindholm. Regehr??? Naa
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Fleury deserves HOF and a number retirement. Unhinged warrior who still carved out an amazing career despite self destructing and not getting help until his career was over and had time to take a long look in the mirror. The man should be celebrated and not chastised.
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