[PGT] Fleury a beast tonight, Vegas shuts out Flames 2-0

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

These are largely team stats. If anyone thinks +/- is a no good stat they should immediately stop talking about save percentage

No thanks. +/- is useless, and Save% is useful.

No stat is ‘be all, end all’.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

No thanks. +/- is useless, and Save% is useful.

No stat is ‘be all, end all’.

Agree with the last sentence but not the first paragraph.

Pfft. +/- is not useless. It is a direct measure of how many goals were scored for the team minus those scored against when a particular player is on the ice.

It needs to be considered in context because in some ways it is relative. Good teams that outscore their opponents will generally have players with higher +/-. It also is a simple counting stat that doesn’t factor in who you play with or against.

Save percentage likewise is a simple counting stat that does not consider quality of team, players in the ice, shot quality, or anything contributing to the situation, only goals and saves. It is useless without context.

Call both sv% and +/- useful, call them useful in context, or call them useless.

But it is foolish to declare either one of them more definitively useful than the other, because they are both simple counting stats that suffer from quite similar limitations.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Agree with the last sentence but not the first paragraph.

Pfft. +/- is not useless. It is a direct measure of how many goals were scored for the team minus those scored against when a particular player is on the ice.

It needs to be considered in context because in some ways it is relative. Good teams that outscore their opponents will generally have players with higher +/-. It also is a simple counting stat that doesn’t factor in who you play with or against.

Save percentage likewise is a simple counting stat that does not consider quality of team, players in the ice, shot quality, or anything contributing to the situation, only goals and saves. It is useless without context.

Call both sv% and +/- useful, call them useful in context, or call them useless.

But it is foolish to declare either one of them more definitively useful than the other, because they are both simple counting stats that suffer from quite similar limitations.

There's a lot of context even aside from good team/bad team. There's who you have to play against (eg, if you're Backlund or Gio), zone starts, line changes, goalie play, etc.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Special teams are still a concern

PP 16th

PK 25th

I'm actually impressed that the PP has improved this much since last year, but let's hope it continues to get better. With our skill, we should definitely be higher than 16th.

The PK is definitely concerning, especially when taking penalties against teams with deadly PP skill. The fact that they managed to kill off 3/4 Jets PPs the other day is pretty impressive. Hopefully that's a sign that it's steadily improving.